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Good Value?

Dingah

Crusty Aviator
Location
Canberra Airport
Ride
Audi SQ5
An associate of mine is seriously considering the purchase of a 2006 R32 with 83k on the clock. The current asking price is $40k drive away with 12 months rego and it is in darn good condition.
Being a GTI and not R32 person, can the R32 fraternity please indicate if this appears to be a reasonable price and suggestions of what to take a closer look at.
Standard features no SATNAV.

Thanks guys,

Dingah
 

Jester_Fu

My Name is Angela.
Location
Swidneh
Ride
Daytona Grey TT RS
Seems like a reasonable price to me - check Cars Guide and Domain to see what others are asking. Pretty high millage for a 2YO car, though.

What to look for?
* Usual feathered wear on tyres indicating a hard life...
* Check the logbook to make sure of regular servicing

I don't think there's much over the standard buying any second hand car type stuff to check, really.
 

Jig

Flow Motion
Location
Australia
6sp or DSG. 5 door or 3 door. 40K AUD for 83,000 kms is a bit steep. if you were talking about 30kms less then maybe...

Seem a lot of driving in 2 years. I for one would be hesitant to buy a car with that much Kays in 2 years. standard questions. how many owners has it had. log books ok? look for sandpaper swirls in the body work to show if it has been on accidents...

Its an NA car so there is less to look out for from an engine perspective but i would definitely look at steering rack issues/noises. Get your mate to take it to someone to inspect fully...
 

Panman

Frequent Modder
Location
Brisbane
83Ks is very steep - I'm on a novated lease and drive Brisbane to SYdney quite regularly - mine is 21 Months old and I'm on 38Ks.

You'd have to be doing a lot of long distance driving to rack that many Ks up.... Sure it's not an ex-Taxi :lol:
 

Dingah

Crusty Aviator
Location
Canberra Airport
Ride
Audi SQ5
Thanks for the responses.
Note and agree the mileage concerns vs age - not sure if its 2006 MY or Rego ie it could be 83k over three years rather than two.
You'll be delighted to learn that I congratulated him on his fine taste.

Dingah
 

Maverick

New member
Location
Brisbane
83K would turn me off buying it, even if it were over 3 years that's still nearly 30k a year. Over 2 years it's around 42k a year. I'd expect it to be another $3-4000 cheaper (depending on if it has DSG etc).
 

Capercat

It's a chuck-about
Location
Location :)
If it has a DSG I wouldn't buy it period...

Extended factory warranty is only valid to 120,000kms. That currently leaves only 40,000kms.
If the DSG fucks up after the 120,000kms, it will cost a cool $25,000 to replace, & that's not including the labour component. :yikes: :yikes:
 

Maverick

New member
Location
Brisbane
If it has a DSG I wouldn't buy it period...

Extended factory warranty is only valid to 120,000kms. That currently leaves only 40,000kms. If the DSG fucks up after the 120,000kms, it will cost a cool $25,000 to replace, that's not including labour. :yikes: :yikes: :paddle: :paddle:
The DSG isn't $25,000 to replace, it's been quoted that the invoice price to VW dealers is ~$15,000 and that was over a year ago.

There are more and more wrecked cars out there with DSG gearboxes and I'd be thinking that they're being sold by the wreckers for less then $5000 with warranty.

And if the car is 2 years old it still has a year of factory warranty and 2 years extended warranty if you take it up, if they replace the DSG under warranty you're laughing.
 

Capercat

It's a chuck-about
Location
Location :)
$25,000 for DSG at CCC dealer . Doanld R32 on this fourm can confirm this.

Would you buy a DSG from a wrecker?????????????????

DSG are a time bomb IMO,
 
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Hash

New member
Location
Melbourne
40k is definetely overpriced i saw one in the low 40's with much less km's than that.

On the other hand my father has novated lease on his previous cars and now the GTI.. he normally clocks up between 70-80k within 23months due to driving from Melbourne to Avalon Airport daily, with the highway km's the car still feels new which can can be expected from highway driving and low revs.
 

Maverick

New member
Location
Brisbane
$25,000 for DSG at CCC dealer . Doanld R32 on this fourm can confirm this.
Others have posted $15,000 was the invoice value to the dealer :iono:

Given that DSG is being made in increased quantities and I can't imagine the manual gearbox costing more then $5000 and the DSG is only around $2500 more then a manual are you saying the VW are taking a $17,500 loss on every DSG sold?

Would you buy a DSG from a wrecker?????????????????
Why not, if the price is right. It's no different to buying an engine.

DSG are a time bomb IMO
Why? You don't have to be scared of them Capercat, it's just two manuals side by side. It's not some evil magical box of tricks.

Do you know how much it will cost to fix a DSG in 6 or 7 years... the repair will cost more than the car will be worth.
Why? There is no evidence the DSG is a gearbox that is unreliable and reco boxes will be available if required.

Even if VW helps with the cost for original owners, its got to effect resale value, for the next guy who's afraid of buying your used car and looking at a $25,000 transmission bill. (I already see evidence of this in the Ferrari used-car market, where people want cars without the F1 transmission)
Slight difference between a Golf and Ferrari though isn't there? I must say that I don't recall spending time at the Ferrari dealership comparing the Golf and tossing up the pros and cons of each.
 

Capercat

It's a chuck-about
Location
Location :)
Why? You don't have to be scared of them Capercat, it's just two manuals side by side. It's not some evil magical box of tricks.
I was going on the official prices quoted by my dealer, I didn't make it up...

Do you know how much it will cost to fix a DSG in 6 or 7 years... the repair will cost more than the car will be worth. Even if VW helps with the cost for original owners, its got to effect resale value, for the next guy who's afraid of buying your used car and looking at a $25,000 transmission bill. (I already see evidence of this in the Ferrari used-car market, where people want cars without the F1 transmission)
 
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Maverick

New member
Location
Brisbane
I was going on the official prices quoted by my dealer, I didn't make it up...
I didn't say you did but I said that's the invoice that goes across for the spare parts and isn't the real cost.

(I already see evidence of this in the Ferrari used-car market, where people want cars without the F1 transmission)
How many people are buying older Ferrari's for daily drivers but instead are buying them for weekend touring or track work?

Plus how many people buy Ferrari's with manuals new as opposed to the F1 transmission?

You're comparing apples with oranges, the two cars are completely different.
 

Hong Chau

Banned
Location
Melbourne
BTW, Porsche PDK is a $7000 option and a $30,000 replacement part... yes $30,000 :yikes:

Sorry Dingah, a little off topic here.
i test drove a 135i last month.
asked about the 330 with BMW's dsg (can't remember what they call theirs)
but they want 6k for it. :eyebulge:

theres no doubt that these would be expensive to repair.

p.s
it was very difficult for me to find someone to install my LSD on the DSG, no one wants to touch it.
but it is going in. should be ready by next week:smile:
 

Maverick

New member
Location
Brisbane
it was very difficult for me to find someone to install my LSD on the DSG, no one wants to touch it.
but it is going in. should be ready by next week:smile:
Who did you end up getting to do it?

With the DSG becoming more common and with cars with DSG only just leaving warranty I'm sure that you will get places that do automatic transmissions doing rebuilds and upgrades in the future. At the moment through people view them as some kid of magic box, just got to get the old school mechanics to move forward!
 

Hong Chau

Banned
Location
Melbourne
Who did you end up getting to do it?

With the DSG becoming more common and with cars with DSG only just leaving warranty I'm sure that you will get places that do automatic transmissions doing rebuilds and upgrades in the future. At the moment through people view them as some kid of magic box, just got to get the old school mechanics to move forward!
i got a mob called A&B automotive.
they specialise in ZF trannies.
they also do work for VW, Audi and Ford.

the work shop is like a lab. very clean.

if i could find a DSG from a wrecked car, i would buy it.
 

Dangerous1979

New member
Location
GOLD COAST
Ride
Golf GTI
Yo Caper, stop beating on the DSG. Sure it will cost a good amount of money to replace if it goes bad, I can tell I've read quite a few post on the DSG and there is the odd problem sure, to say it's a timebomb though is a bit extreme. I'm sure for every DSG problem you may find, there will be many more with no problems whatsoever, I am basing this on the fact that if someone has no problem then they will not start a thread or chime in on a thread, saying "oh and by the way just thought I would let you know my DSG is running fine", however if there is a problem it will surely be expressed.

As well I'm not sure if you're aware or not, the DSG is in some high powered chipped cars that put out many KW's with no hint of problem and been running for thousands of kilometres as stated by one or more of the tuning and performance companies (APR, GIAC, REVO etc) and no I'm not looking the thread/s or pages up again.

You could of course make the argument that a manual has less moving parts and is therefore less likely to fail and to that I would say fair enough, however that would hardly make the DSG a timebomb or anything of the sort.

Don't mean to have a rant, I just don't think you should be making destructive/disparaging comments :wink:.
 

Dangerous1979

New member
Location
GOLD COAST
Ride
Golf GTI
Sorry for the thread derail Dingah. No offense intended to you Caper, just having my say, which is what a forum is all about right :thumbsup:.
 
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