FSI Stage 2+ Vs. e46 M3

[g60_corrado_91]

Jose where have you been mang?!?!?!?


Matt

The long gearing helps me a great deal against DSG cars.

When I had my GTI i would always lose ground to anything DSG equipped because of the time it took to shift.

In the M3 on a 3rd gear pull I have to car in third up until 8300 (With my tune) until I need 4th at about a 110mph.

Regardless I expect the k04 to give me a run for my money. If not take me. I just dont see it taking me top end. But, we will see.

For sure. TSI's with K04's do rip. But, it will be interesting.

 

[Jtrem]

At least his GTI is manual. So it will be a little more equal.

 

[Kwiksilver07]

Good runs, my buddy has an 02 with dianan tune and intake. Also a supersprint exhaust. Till about 100 we are dead even. After that it goes into rape mode and it's no contest. I'm sure his 100k + miles are keeping it somewhat even.

 

[Bunnspeed]

In, for a well-crafted cool story and future vids.

 

[3.sl06MT]

Good runs. Sounds about right, but you sure you started in 2nd at 20mph and got "a lot of wheel chirp?" If you were in 1st I could see that, but no way 2nd.

 

[Captain Slow]

illustrious memoir crony.

 

[LOUCFUR]

Last yr I raced my friends e46 M3 with headers, exhaust, and tune. And my k04 with the 91 oct tune couldn't keep up with him. From 60-100. He had half a car on me. And after 100 he just pulled like nothing ...

 

[Jtrem]

Good runs. Sounds about right, but you sure you started in 2nd at 20mph and got "a lot of wheel chirp?" If you were in 1st I could see that, but no way 2nd.

I can spin tires in 1st and 2nd. After that not so much. It's not like wheel spin like when I had the GTI. The GTI has a boat load of torque so its a lot easier to spin wheels. I still chirp regardless when going into 2nd from first at around 8200-8300rpm. or the same when going from 2nd into 3rd.

I don't have a lot of torque. As a honda guy you should know all about that. Well at least I have horsepower for my lack of torque lol

Good runs, my buddy has an 02 with dianan tune and intake. Also a supersprint exhaust. Till about 100 we are dead even. After that it goes into rape mode and it's no contest. I'm sure his 100k + miles are keeping it somewhat even.

Mileage usually doesn't hurt the S54 much. A guy did a baseline dyno at 50k and pulled similar numbers when he re-dyno'd years later at 110k. It's not prone to carbon build up like a lot of cars. As long as you keep all 6 throttle bodies clean and the valves within spec you are golden.

The Dinan is more of a marketing gimmick. Your friends car is probably slightly faster than a stock M3. So no surprise you were able to hang with him. I'm even surprised you didn't pull a little.

Last yr I raced my friends e46 M3 with headers, exhaust, and tune. And my k04 with the 91 oct tune couldn't keep up with him. From 60-100. He had half a car on me. And after 100 he just pulled like nothing ...

I would think for sure that you would have pulled or at least been even with him from a 60-100 pull. The M3 has no real torque. But torque doesnt mean as much when you are already moving.

I never really looked into it since I owned an FSI. But, from what everyone seems to be telling me is the TSI with a K04 is superior to an FSI with a K04.

Anyways, I was looking into what the tune is going to cost me and the CSL style Airbox. For about a grand and a half more I can get an entry level supercharger.

I didn't want to go F/I, but at the price point I think I just might. Depending on what price my friends shop can get me on the VF420 kit.

With that kit I should be able to put down 365-370whp. Compared to the 315-320 I could pull N/A with adding a better tune and airbox.

 

[3.sl06MT]

^ I wasn't doubting you spinning on the 1-2 or 2-3 shift. My doubts lie where you claimed to have started in 2nd @ 20mph and spun, that's all. The E46 is a quick car even in stock form. I've beaten one by about 3 cars but he wasn't much of a driver (obviously) lol. My HP helps my lack of torque somewhat too

 

[Angel@forge]

The shop tts will pull on my m3 but it runs a bit stronger than most ko4's. ko3's don't stand a chance.

I have an ess tune, headers, scorpion muffler, drop in pipercross filter and 4.10 gears. Little weight loss between the bbk, wheels, headers and muffler but not more than maybe 50-60 lbs total.

And fwiw, with the 265 conti dw I'm running I get next to no wheel spin. I can brake them loose in 1st but not easily from a roll and never in 2nd anymore. The tires and the diff rebuild did wonders for traction.

 

[bhmkv]

Nice runs

 

[Jtrem]

I wouldnt mind running gears, but If I went F/I then I would want the stock 3.62 in. Or maybe 3.91.

 

[Kwiksilver07]

Mileage usually doesn't hurt the S54 much. A guy did a baseline dyno at 50k and pulled similar numbers when he re-dyno'd years later at 110k. It's not prone to carbon build up like a lot of cars. As long as you keep all 6 throttle bodies clean and the valves within spec you are golden.

The Dinan is more of a marketing gimmick. Your friends car is probably slightly faster than a stock M3. So no surprise you were able to hang with him. I'm even surprised you didn't pull a little.

I would think for sure that you would have pulled or at least been even with him from a 60-100 pull. The M3 has no real torque. But torque doesnt mean as much when you are already moving. .

This was at s2. I'm currently 2+. I think I would have him by roughly a car at this point. At 115+ I'm absolutely fucked. M top ends are awesome. I miss mine. I guess the s50 doesn't take milage as well as a 54. When I ran my tired out e36 against my buddy's rebuilt motor, I got beat by about 2 cars.

 

[Angel@forge]

try and score a cheap diff that way you could swap back and sell it... you'd love it until if/when you do the blower. Car is a lot more responsive around town

I wouldnt mind running gears, but If I went F/I then I would want the stock 3.62 in. Or maybe 3.91.

 

[Kwiksilver07]

Angel Who's 4.10 are you using on your M? My buddy bitchs and moans about the lack of grunt under normal city use. I've been telling him to get a new diff but he hasn't listened yet.