Mk 7 vs Focus ST

[GTIfan99]

Do you like it more than the CTR? Driving wise, that is? I love the way the stock CTR drives, but it's too big, too ugly inside and out, doesn't seem to have enough cooling and just doesn't have a tuning market. I haven't looked at the Hyundai seriously, but I actually kind of like the screwball door setup, as I really only ever open one rear door to belt my kid in, so I'd be fine with the longer door on the driver side. But who am I kidding, I'll just get a Mk8 R in a few years and ignore all of these cars.

Price wise, not the same class. I've driven both, the Veloster is more fun, CTR likely faster on most tracks.

Both kind of ugly.

 

[jimlloyd40]

who cares about the ST now that the Veloster N is out

That and they don't make the ST at least for the US anymore.

 

[bentin]

Plus it's kinda gone Subaru.

 

[GTIfan99]

Plus it's kinda gone Subaru.

I kinda like it. Then I look from another angle and don't. Then look again and it's Ok. Definitely not one of those looks that instantly draws you in. It's more you try to convince yourself it's not so bad.

 

[bentin]

Which is sad since they got the Fiesta ST just right, even down to the angry three pot.

 

[NopeR]

I've had the doors blown off my R by an ST. He had a pops and bangs tune. So much power. Much noises.

He was the only one racing though.

 

[Nineeightyone]

I've had the doors blown off my R by an ST. He had a pops and bangs tune. So much power. Much noises.

He was the only one racing though.

My 8v pops and bangs too, but that's because it's not running right.

 

[GTIfan99]

Which is sad since they got the Fiesta ST just right, even down to the angry three pot.

That and the new Toyota thing both make me sad. Only because we don't get them.

 

[bentin]

That and the new Toyota thing both make me sad. Only because we don't get them.

We are supposed to get the Corolla GRMN with close to 300hp and awd though. I don't dislike this render

 

[GTIfan99]

We are supposed to get the Corolla GRMN with close to 300hp and awd though. I don't dislike this render

If they keep the lawyers out of the suspension tuning, should be pretty cool.

 

[bentin]

If they keep the lawyers out of the suspension tuning, should be pretty cool.

The Toyota version of the GT86 was a wildly better setup than the Subaru setup. The Toyota had a much more neutral setup, even leaning towards oversteer. Hopefully they get the Corolla right, much like the Hyundai, I won't buy one, but it's good to have these sorts of things around.

 

[GTIfan99]

The Toyota version of the GT86 was a wildly better setup than the Subaru setup. The Toyota had a much more neutral setup, even leaning towards oversteer. Hopefully they get the Corolla right, much like the Hyundai, I won't buy one, but it's good to have these sorts of things around.

300hp awd Corolla is temping if it has the same kind of reliability of most Toyotas. Might make a fantasy track toy even stock.

 

[bentin]

300hp awd Corolla is temping if it has the same kind of reliability of most Toyotas. Might make a fantasy track toy even stock.

I said I wouldn't buy it, but honestly, if it's smaller than the Mk8 R and lighter, I will actually consider it. It will be interesting to see what sort of aftermarket support it will have, I'm not sure if any other US cars will get a version of that drivetrain.

 

[Daks]

300hp awd Corolla is temping if it has the same kind of reliability of most Toyotas. Might make a fantasy track toy even stock.

Their interiors are complete plastic garbage though. Not cool once you get past 30.

 

[victorofhavoc]

Their interiors are complete plastic garbage though. Not cool once you get past 30.

What, in any car sub 50k these days, is not plastic in the interior? My gti is all plastic besides seat, steering wheel, shifter boot, and having driven recent Toyotas their interiors feel pretty nice. They also won't develop nearly the noises and their door seals won't need monthly lubrication.