CIVIC si vs BRZ?

[D Griff]

From C&D Lightning Laps at VIR:
06 Si 3:26.5
07 GTI 3:25.1
08 Si Mugen 3:24.8
10 GTI 3:19.3
12 Si 3:24.1

Somehow I doubt the HFP package will make up almost 5 sec, but who knows....

better/different tires or DRIVERS may make up the difference. I hate the LL shit from C&D.

Yes. Riddle me this C & D, how is there a six second difference between an '07 GTI and a '10 GTI? It's a MK5 vs. a MK 5.1 er 6... There aren't really big performance differences. Everytime I autox I wish I had bought the Si for the LSD. Every other day (so 358 or so per year) I'm glad I bought the GTI.

Now, the BRZ... if the GTI was as fast around a track as one, all BRZ buyers would feel stupid. Straight line... who cares anyway? Well many people, but not me personally.

 

[mk6medic]

What is the beef with LL? Just another test with objective numbers everyone tries to make subjective as in 0-60 or 1/4 mile. It isn't perfect, but what is? You can argue against something all the time.

Is everyone saying the Si is better than a GTI? I'm confused. I thought GTI > Veyron??

 

[D Griff]

I mean, I guess it's better than having nothing like it available... things like what I mentioned above about two very similar GTIs differing by so much just kind of bother me.

 

[RacingManiac]

The laptime means as much or as little as people like to quote Nordschleife, Hockenheim, Laguna Seca, EVO Magazine or Top Gear track time...they don't control tire/weather/driver or anything....

MK5 to MK6 may not be that different, there are still some differences....the presence of XDS for one, which although not a real LSD, still functions quite well. At the end of the day calling the GTI being just good compare to the others in a straightline and falls flat on its face on track is just not a truthful statement....This will be the 3rd year I autox mine, I've seen people a lot better than me driving it and doing even better....

 

[D Griff]

I don't think anyone ever said the GTI falls flat on its face on the track. I really enjoy autoxing mine, and it's great for what it is. I just said it won't compare to something like a BRZ on a track that is a real, RWD, lighter sports car. You give up a lot with a car like that compared to a hot hatch in terms of daily drivability/practicality though.

I mean, I obviously bought a GTI. The BRZ wasn't out yet at the time, but I certainly could've chosen other rides, the GTI is very good!

 

[RacingManiac]

I don't think anyone ever said the GTI falls flat on its face on the track. I really enjoy autoxing mine, and it's great for what it is. I just said it won't compare to something like a BRZ on a track that is a real, RWD, lighter sports car. You give up a lot with a car like that compared to a hot hatch in terms of daily drivability/practicality though.

I mean, I obviously bought a GTI. The BRZ wasn't out yet at the time, but I certainly could've chosen other rides, the GTI is very good!

Whole reason I bothered....

The gti should have no problem taking them on straights. Put them in the corner and the gti will fall to dead last. The Si has a stock limited slip, the FRS was made to handle with its low cog.

 

[D Griff]

Fair. Even if he's right, it's a little dramatic to say fall to dead last when it might be a second slower than the Si lol.

 

[troyguitar]

More of this crap :lol:

Stock GTI is slow, GTI with minimal basic track prep is blazing fast in comparison. As in 10+ seconds faster at VIR.

 

[D Griff]

More of this crap :lol:

Stock GTI is slow, GTI with minimal basic track prep is blazing fast in comparison. As in 10+ seconds faster at VIR.

The stock tires would play a huge part in this I'm sure... they're really no good.

 

[Noize]

The drift at the end of that video was fantastic.
Sure wish we had a proper limited slip option from the factory! I would have gladly ponied up $1200 for that checkbox with a warranty.

 

[RacingManiac]

I am hoping for that check box in the MK7....