I've never talked about your findings as if they are lies man, i've been trying to work with you in the other thread to get some real results to try and figure out whats happening.
I'm defending the APR product because 99% of the people with it haven't had the problems you've had, myself included. I did my research before i purchased and i'm happy with my choice. I could leave it quite easily at stage 1 and never worry about it again but i'm choosing to pursue more with the stage 2. I don't feel the need to have to try other products for the sake of a handful of kws or nm either way when APR have looked after me. I've never criticised the other products.
Contrary to what you have posted i've found Dean/ Volkspower and Guy/APR more than willing ot bend over backwards to look after me and my concerns. I got a vagcom air freighted down to me so i could log my own car and see the results for myself, i've had one dyno run paid for already and am having another two soon to back to back the stage 1 and stage 2 software for real results. Any question i've ever had has been answered promptly. If i did have a problem with their product i wouldn't try to solve it by slandering it on a forum though. Perhaps its been in the way you have approached them that your experience has been different to mine?
Hong: I've never met Tiny, nor have i ever talked to Guy about him or based my opinion of him/ his posts on what Guy has posted. I base my opinion on the unprofessional practice of posting huge emotive threads slandering products and making personal attacks. Thats my opinion, i don't expect him or anyone else to agree with it, i just think what he did was childish. I have no problem if GTILIN doesn't like his exhaust etc and wants to sell it but there are ways to do things and stupid threads like this one aren't it.
The other point... how does you guys posting how bad the exhaust is, only good for scrap etc help GTILIN sell his exhaust and have some hope of making some of his money back? If i were him i'd be pissed you guys stuffed his chances of selling it here.