Do/Don't Replace FSI Spark Plugs at 40k Service?

legalninja · Jul 29, 2010

I have a 2k7 GLI and the manual says replace the plugs for all but the 2.0 FSI, 3.6 FSI and 4.2 FSI. However, the 40k mile kit I've seen on other threads has plugs and a fuel filter (didn't see that on the replacement list either). Did I miss something?

Dredknut · Jul 30, 2010

It can't hurt? Plugs are what, $20 and 15-20 mins of your time? Also, does it say 2.0 FSI or 2.0T FSI? That would be the difference...

adamgti · Jul 30, 2010

Manual says replace at 60,000 for 2.0T, but like Dred says, it's cheap, easy, and wouldn't hurt to do it early. I may end up doing mine when I get to 40k.

Dredknut · Jul 30, 2010

I do mine every 25000-30000 km just for shits. And don't get them done at the dealer, its one of the most over inflated services available. My dealer wanted $150 to do my plugs, my jaw hit the floor.

adamgti · Jul 30, 2010

Yeah for sure, the only thing I plan on letting the dealer do with my car is the DSG fluid change when the time comes, and any warranty work.

As for the fuel filter, OP, I can't find any mention of it anywhere in the service schedule...but replacing it along with the spark plugs couldn't hurt either.

JetTurbo · Jul 31, 2010

legalninja said:
I have a 2k7 GLI ... . . .(Drives: '07 GLI Fahrenheit)

Dredknut said:
It can't hurt? Plugs are what, $20...

All 2007 Fahrenheit US mk 5s (GTI & GLI) have FSI (BPY) engines, don't they?
OP did not mention any mods that might affect spark plug choice, if he is stock, then
more like ≈ $60 for VW #101905631B-4 (set of four)
Set of Genuine replacement spark plugs for your 2.0T - FSI Engines Only
I have run mine 60k miles with no ill effect.

I do replace the fuel filter at 40k though.

With all the fun I had getting that front line off the filter last time,
I intend to pick up a pair of fuel line pliers for the next replacement.
Compared to the cost of repairing one of those damaged lines,
the tool seems like cheap insurance. :wink:

Dredknut · Aug 2, 2010

^ Yea the OEM Bosch plugs are definately more expensive, and good quality as well. Personally I run NGK's BKR6E copper plugs in my APR stage 1, ran them stock as well. As mentioned I replace them fairly often and they can be found for less than $2/plug.

You could run NGK BKR6EIX iridium tipped plugs for a longer service interval, and I think you would still come out under $60 for a set of 4.

langer · Aug 2, 2010

JetTurbo said:
With all the fun I had getting that front line off the filter last time,
I intend to pick up a pair of fuel line pliers for the next replacement.
Compared to the cost of repairing one of those damaged lines,
the tool seems like cheap insurance. :wink:

Just ordered one of those pliers before I switch out my filter. I've found broken and missing clips all over my used mkv, so I'm especially leary of the filter clipls. Seriously, who breaks the clip off the the coil pack connections?

Dredknut · Aug 2, 2010

langer said:
Just ordered one of those pliers before I switch out my filter. I've found broken and missing clips all over my used mkv, so I'm especially leary of the filter clipls. Seriously, who breaks the clip off the the coil pack connections?

Um, that would be me haha... Damn VW and their complicated, paper-thin clips!

JetTurbo · Aug 2, 2010

Dredknut said:
^ Yea the OEM Bosch plugs are definately more expensive, and good quality as well. Personally I run NGK's BKR6E copper plugs in my APR stage 1, ran them stock as well. As mentioned I replace them fairly often and they can be found for less than $2/plug.

You could run NGK BKR6EIX iridium tipped plugs for a longer service interval, and I think you would still come out under $60 for a set of 4.

The NGKs seem to make good sense for chipped / modified engines which benefit from a slightly colder plug,
but stock they are one step off in heat range aren't they?

Dredknut · Aug 2, 2010

JetTurbo said:
The NGKs seem to make good sense for chipped / modified engines which benefit from a slightly colder plug,
but stock they are one step off in heat range aren't they?

Not quite... you're right in the sense that cooler plugs would only be suitable in engines running aftermarket software, but NGK does offer OEM replacements as well.

The NGK plugs that are suitable for use in the 2.0T FSI BPY are named as follows, with "x" representing the heat range:

BKRXE (copper)

or

BKRXEIX (iridium)

6 represents the stock heat range, equivalent to the OEM Bosch plugs found in our cars. 7 would be 1 heat range cooler and would be more suited to cars that are chipped (debatable).

So, for those interested in stock heat range plugs as OEM replacements, NGK BKR6E #6962 would be what you want to get. If you feel a cooler plug is necessary, BKR7E.

I have purchased my plugs from this eBay vendor numerous times, and will deal with them in the future:

http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180467162845&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT

JetTurbo · Aug 2, 2010

langer said:
Just ordered one of those pliers before I switch out my filter. I've found broken and missing clips all over my used mkv, so I'm especially leary of the filter clipls. Seriously, who breaks the clip off the the coil pack connections?

Dredknut said:
Um, that would be me haha... Damn VW and their complicated, paper-thin clips!

x2
I also damaged one coil pack connection retaining clip the first time I removed them.
Stupid on my part, annoying, but really not such a big deal as you already know.
That is why it remains un-repaired, so far.

Break a retaining clip on a pressurized fuel line though, and leaking gasoline is just bad news any way you look at it.

FYI Tips on removing coil connector for those like Dredknut and me :wink: How do you remove coils with out breaking the connector???

nhbubba · Aug 16, 2010

TSI owner/driver here.

My manual also says plugs at 60k. (Actually it says the "2.0L" gets plugs at 60k, no mention of a 2.0T anywhere. But I take 2.0L to mean the 2.0T.) I'll be waiting to 60k to do mine.

Interestingly I do not see mention of the fuel filter anywhere. Although 40k seems reasonable to me.

Book also says engine air filter (inlcluded in most tuner sites' 40k kit) after 6 years! regardless of mileage. Surely that can't be right...

cantona7 · Aug 23, 2010

Dredknut said:
Not quite... you're right in the sense that cooler plugs would only be suitable in engines running aftermarket software, but NGK does offer OEM replacements as well.

The NGK plugs that are suitable for use in the 2.0T FSI BPY are named as follows, with "x" representing the heat range:

BKRXE (copper)

or

BKRXEIX (iridium)

6 represents the stock heat range, equivalent to the OEM Bosch plugs found in our cars. 7 would be 1 heat range cooler and would be more suited to cars that are chipped (debatable).

So, for those interested in stock heat range plugs as OEM replacements, NGK BKR6E #6962 would be what you want to get. If you feel a cooler plug is necessary, BKR7E.

I have purchased my plugs from this eBay vendor numerous times, and will deal with them in the future:

http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180467162845&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT

Very interesting, ECS has the NGK BKR6E but they are not stated as direct OEM replacement for BPY 2.0t FSI engines. But according to you they are direct OEM replacement right?

The direct OEM replacement ECS has has for the BPY 2.0t are NGK# PFR7S8EG.

I went to NGK site searched and it came up with NGK# PFR7S8EG too, as the direct OEM replacement.

Please shed some light on this thanks!

stringshifter6 · Aug 23, 2010

Those plugs are platinum.

Do/Don't Replace FSI Spark Plugs at 40k Service?

legalninja

Passed Driver's Ed

Dredknut

DSG Fart Fanatic

adamgti

Trust me, I'm an engineer

Dredknut

DSG Fart Fanatic

adamgti

Trust me, I'm an engineer

JetTurbo

geezer

Dredknut

DSG Fart Fanatic

langer

i fix teefs

Dredknut

DSG Fart Fanatic

JetTurbo

geezer

Dredknut

DSG Fart Fanatic

JetTurbo

geezer

nhbubba

CEL free until 48,398 mi

cantona7

Ready to race!

stringshifter6

Nom Nom Nom