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Old 01-03-2010, 10:02 PM   #1
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Aftermarket DSG Gearbox oil cooler

Hi all,

Any one know if you can get an aftermarket DSG Oil cooler for DSG based car??

I keep cooking my DSG out on the track and need additional cooling to keep the fluids down.. otherwise everytime i cook the DSG it blinks at me like crazy and goes into limp mode.

on a hot day around a track this can happen after 7-10 laps.

Google has failed to find anything at all.

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Old 01-03-2010, 10:04 PM   #2
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Old 01-03-2010, 10:08 PM   #3
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Hi all,

Any one know if you can get an aftermarket DSG Oil cooler for DSG based car??

I keep cooking my DSG out on the track and need additional cooling to keep the fluids down.. otherwise everytime i cook the DSG it blinks at me like crazy and goes into limp mode.

on a hot day around a track this can happen after 7-10 laps.

Google has failed to find anything at all.

rob
I'm not sure of what oil is used in the DSG but a auto transmission cooler would be the same thing. Talk to a transmission specialist. Will depend on if it has a pumpm that can be used to circulate the oil already as to whether or not its cheap and easy. If it already has some sort of circulation they can just tap into that and run a cooler, otherwise you need to buy pumps etc.
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buy a second hand 05 mkv gti. dsg cooler comes stock with the car. tinygti used to track his 05 gti and never had a prob with overheating the dsg. shame to flog a beautiful car like the S3.
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Old 01-03-2010, 10:46 PM   #5
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buy a second hand 05 mkv gti. dsg cooler comes stock with the car. tinygti used to track his 05 gti and never had a prob with overheating the dsg. shame to flog a beautiful car like the S3.
yea, such a shame you drive a car like its supposed to be driven..


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Old 01-03-2010, 10:48 PM   #6
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buy a second hand 05 mkv gti. dsg cooler comes stock with the car. tinygti used to track his 05 gti and never had a prob with overheating the dsg. shame to flog a beautiful car like the S3.
It would make sense to get a manual, can put up with more abuse and no blinking lights etc.

The S3 does seem too nice but looks like Rob is putting it to the test!

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yea, such a shame you drive a car like its supposed to be driven..


Even if there are much cheaper and faster cars, what if you put it into a wall? Nice cars aren't as cheap over here as the States either, but know what you mean.

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Old 01-03-2010, 10:57 PM   #7
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I would look and see if the cars that are sold in Africa or the Middle East have any sort of additional cooling for the DSG gearbox, so maybe post in a regional thread in order to find out...
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Old 01-03-2010, 11:11 PM   #8
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what exactly is a BAMF?
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Old 01-03-2010, 11:16 PM   #9
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buy a second hand 05 mkv gti. dsg cooler comes stock with the car. tinygti used to track his 05 gti and never had a prob with overheating the dsg. shame to flog a beautiful car like the S3.
thanks for the info johno. i'll look into that

and yeh i am actually looking at building a project track car...

looking at Type R's or MX5 or mini's to build a project car out of...

i do agree with you about flogging the S3... but i do love the car tho :)
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Old 01-03-2010, 11:18 PM   #10
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I would look and see if the cars that are sold in Africa or the Middle East have any sort of additional cooling for the DSG gearbox, so maybe post in a regional thread in order to find out...
thats a very good suggestion will do that :)

thanks :)
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Old 01-03-2010, 11:23 PM   #11
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thats a very good suggestion will do that :)

thanks :)
No problem... Also try searching for one on here, I'm pretty sure someone had one custom made for tracking or something. So If you can't find an OEM one, making one with universal aftermarket parts is definitely doable.
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Old 01-03-2010, 11:27 PM   #12
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hopefully you can find a fix mate.

Failing that get a Turbo MX-5!
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i reckon compare cost of installing aftermarket dsg cooler vs cost of a secondhand track car then decide. ask moomoonel (nelson). i think he bought an old civic, stripped it, and modded it and he has done some great lap times.
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Just an idea moomoonel's track car:

Year: 1994
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almost the same as Tony's civic!!

except he has an EF with a B18C
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May help to list the total price/cost too.
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that i have no idea about. have to ask the moomoo. thinking about rob's dsg, i did a track day at eastern creek once in stinking hot weather and i never had prob with my dsg in the first '06 gti. perhaps get your dsg checked?
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The top mounted DSG cooler I think is standard in both 8Z6 Hot Country and 8Z9 Super Hot Country on the S3. Australia delivered cars are 8Z6.

It should already have the oil cooler mounted on top of the DSG (oblong shaped unit that has fins on it with two radiator connectors on top) cooled by the coolant from the radiators. The part number for the top mounted one is 02E 409 061 B for ~$150.

Mounted in front of passenger side wheel behind fog light.
1K0 121 212 C DSG Radiator ~$350
8P0 121 333 B Air Guide ~$40 (may vary depending on bumper)
867 129 669 Grommet x 3
N 907 611 02 M8 hex nut shouldered x 3

The passenger side radiator assists the car's coolant which in turn cools the dsg via the top mounted radiator.

Dealer fit time allowed is 5 hours for the lot but could be longer as they probably won't have done one before.
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The cooler mounted in the lower left guard of my car is fed directly off the radiator top hose to add additional cooling capacity to the engine coolant system. This also aids in DSG cooling as the engine coolant also circulates through the heat exchanger mounted on the top of the transmission. I had a good look at the hoses and the supply/return points and they don't go anywhere near the transmission.

IMO, the best way to directly cool the DSG fluid is to mount an auxilliary radiator such as the one in the lower guard in the earlier vehicles and plump it direct inline with the feed to the DSG heat exchanger on the top of the transmission. This way, coolant will flow from the engine's cooling system, lose heat from the new radiator before flowing through the DSG heat exchanger and being piped back into the cooling system.

Adding a radiator specifically for the DSG fluid will be complex as a pump or feed off the filter assy will have to be made etc. This may also screw with the fluid levels in the transmission.
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The cooler mounted in the lower left guard of my car is fed directly off the radiator top hose to add additional cooling capacity to the engine coolant system. This also aids in DSG cooling as the engine coolant also circulates through the heat exchanger mounted on the top of the transmission. I had a good look at the hoses and the supply/return points and they don't go anywhere near the transmission.
Thanks for clarifying the operation
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Old 01-04-2010, 03:16 AM   #21
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Hey Robby, there's a Boxster currently on eBay for $15k; if you're lucky you might get it for low 20s, then you can throw in a Cayman donk. Don't turbo the Boxster engine.

You could probably get a US Boxster here for well under $15k, maybe already set up for racing. A massive saving if it's just for the track. Though you might even get a shady/tracked 996 for that price if you look hard enough! :D

Police auction drug dealer cars - as long as you don't mind the smell from the dead bodies previously in it!
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You probably know these anyway but it's sometimes an eye-opener to see how expensive used Porsche cars are in Oz compared to the US...
http://986forum.com/forums/forumdisp...?s=&forumid=28
e.g. '01 Boxster S w. 3.6L (w. '04 C4S engine) & claimed $40k expenditure: for US $17k! http://www.boxsterforum.com/forums/s...ad.php?t=22187

How cheap would a salvage one be? They are well under $10k on eBay US.
This guy's doing the same thing - for a track project: http://986forum.com/forums/showthrea...955#post200955

Go on, you know you want to!
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