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Dan00Hawk

Ready to race!
Location
Plainfield, IL
A portable gas generator would be a good purchase for an electric car owner that was concerned about infrequent power outages. Bonus is that it can be used to power things in your home as well. Heck, if you live in an area with frequent power outages, having a gas generator almost becomes a must have, right?
 

GeorgiaBII

Drag Race Newbie
Location
Georgia
A portable gas generator would be a good purchase for an electric car owner that was concerned about infrequent power outages. Bonus is that it can be used to power things in your home as well. Heck, if you live in an area with frequent power outages, having a gas generator almost becomes a must have, right?
Sure but do you charge the car or keep the house warm and the freezers cold? The number of hours you'll have to run to get one 80% charge at 110v is going to burn way more fuel than you can probably afford in an emergency.

My point is E cars are fun and practical during good times. But when things go south you need the reliability and grid independence of a internal combustion vehicle.

One final point. The grid is not getting better. It's actually getting worse in many areas of the country. Adding transportation to it's burden isn't a smart idea.
 

XM_Rocks

Drag Race Newbie
Location
Austin, TX
Where I live it's very common for the power to be out several days after a storm. With an electric car you are putting all your eggs in one basket. I don't believe in that. Failing to prepare is preparing to fail. That is why I own more than one vehicle and one of them is a 4wd truck.

200 mile range gets eaten up quickly if you are trying to find a place that is warm when the power is out and it's below freezing at home. Not to mention it's impossible to store extra power at home before a storm while it's dead easy to store extra gas if and I stress IF you believing in being prepared.
So an electric car probably isn’t for you.

I live in a major city with a stable power grid, I don’t commute since I work from home and I rarely drive over 200 miles in one sitting.

Most of my trips are 5-15 miles.

An electric car is perfect for me, maybe not for you.

I will say having an electric car would have been nice during Harvey. Someone would post about fuel being available at XYZ Station on r/Austin and within 10 mins they were dry/sold out. It was demand induced shortages.
 

XM_Rocks

Drag Race Newbie
Location
Austin, TX
One final point. The grid is not getting better. It's actually getting worse in many areas of the country. Adding transportation to it's burden isn't a smart idea.
Source?

The grid here in Austin and most of the country in major metro areas is solid.

I remember as a kid going hours and days without electricity after a big storm. I honestly can’t remember the last time I had a power outage over 2 mins in the past 15 years.

We haven’t even had brownouts in the past 10 years.
 

GeorgiaBII

Drag Race Newbie
Location
Georgia
Source?

The grid here in Austin and most of the country in major metro areas is solid.

I remember as a kid going hours and days without electricity after a big storm. I honestly can’t remember the last time I had a power outage over 2 mins in the past 15 years.

We haven’t even had brownouts in the past 10 years.
I work in the industry. And as an example look at California.
 

inc55

Go Kart Champion
Location
Chandler, AZ
I don’t believe a gas generator can charge an electric vehicle.

If you had solar panels and two Tesla power walls you’d have enough juice to power you home and charge your car all while being off grid. How sick is that?
 

Dan00Hawk

Ready to race!
Location
Plainfield, IL
I don’t believe a gas generator can charge an electric vehicle.

If you had solar panels and two Tesla power walls you’d have enough juice to power you home and charge your car all while being off grid. How sick is that?
The capability would depend on the size of the generator. It is just a matter of how long it would take to get to whatever level of charge you would need. I merely suggested it as a way to deal with an infrequent emergency situation, not something to do on a regular basis.

 

Dan00Hawk

Ready to race!
Location
Plainfield, IL
Sure but do you charge the car or keep the house warm and the freezers cold? The number of hours you'll have to run to get one 80% charge at 110v is going to burn way more fuel than you can probably afford in an emergency.

My point is E cars are fun and practical during good times. But when things go south you need the reliability and grid independence of a internal combustion vehicle.

One final point. The grid is not getting better. It's actually getting worse in many areas of the country. Adding transportation to it's burden isn't a smart idea.
Q: How do you fuel up your car at a gas station if there isn't any power?
A: You can't.

If you're lucky, you've got a half tank or more of fuel in your car. Or if you're equally lucky with an E car, your battery is halfway or more charged. Either way, an individual needs to conserve whatever resources they have and plan accordingly. I'd probably feel more comfortable with a gasoline powered car during an emergency situation at this stage of the game, too. But I'm also open-minded enough to realize that someone with an E car can prepare for a "worst case scenario" if that is their only method of transportation. Which, for most people, an electric car is not their sole vehicle. I'm not ready to give up my IC cars, but I like seeing the progress that is being made with E cars and would consider one as a second vehicle for our family in the near future.
 

Corprin

Go Kart Champion
Location
Twin Cities
Vegan
Crossfit
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Harley owner
Dog owner
Coal roller
Tesla owner

This may come to a shock, but nobody outside you and your fellow cult members actually gives a shit.

Here’s a picture to illustrate.
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oddspyke

Go Kart Newbie
Location
Nazareth, PA
I'm just getting caught up on this thread and I'm reaching way back to where the OP said it only costs him $1.65 to charge his car. Where does that math come from? These cars take 50-75kwh to charge (assuming no losses to the charger, which there will be) and most utilities charge $.12-.15 per kwh. So more like $6-12 per charge, maybe $8-15 with charger losses. Still cheap, but not $1.
 

Corprin

Go Kart Champion
Location
Twin Cities
I'm just getting caught up on this thread and I'm reaching way back to where the OP said it only costs him $1.65 to charge his car. Where does that math come from? These cars take 50-75kwh to charge (assuming no losses to the charger, which there will be) and most utilities charge $.12-.15 per kwh. So more like $6-12 per charge, maybe $8-15 with charger losses. Still cheap, but not $1.
You and your math... pffft
 

GeorgiaBII

Drag Race Newbie
Location
Georgia
I'm just getting caught up on this thread and I'm reaching way back to where the OP said it only costs him $1.65 to charge his car. Where does that math come from? These cars take 50-75kwh to charge (assuming no losses to the charger, which there will be) and most utilities charge $.12-.15 per kwh. So more like $6-12 per charge, maybe $8-15 with charger losses. Still cheap, but not $1.
This is about feels not facts you dirty heathen!
 

jimlloyd40

Autocross Newbie
Location
Phoenix
Ride
2018 SE DSG
I'm just getting caught up on this thread and I'm reaching way back to where the OP said it only costs him $1.65 to charge his car. Where does that math come from? These cars take 50-75kwh to charge (assuming no losses to the charger, which there will be) and most utilities charge $.12-.15 per kwh. So more like $6-12 per charge, maybe $8-15 with charger losses. Still cheap, but not $1.
I pay .05 per kwh in Phoenix. But I don't have an electric car so it doesn't matter. 😂
 

GeorgiaBII

Drag Race Newbie
Location
Georgia
I pay .05 per kwh in Phoenix. But I don't have an electric car so it doesn't matter. 😂
Are you sure about that? Seemed awful low so I did a quick google


The average residential electricity rate in Phoenix is 11.96¢/kWh. This average (residential) electricity rate in Phoenix is 5.93% greater than the Arizona average rate of 11.29¢/kWh. The average (residential) electricity rate in Phoenix is 0.67% greater than the national average rate of 11.88¢/kWh.


You must get a special rate?
 

GeorgiaBII

Drag Race Newbie
Location
Georgia
If the power is out the gas pumps won't work either.
Sure but I keep gas in 5 gallon cans in the shed just for those bad days...

My job requires me to report to work during any kind of weather or other event to support restoration efforts. I don't have the luxury of not going in sadly. Really really miss those days.
 

jimlloyd40

Autocross Newbie
Location
Phoenix
Ride
2018 SE DSG
Are you sure about that? Seemed awful low so I did a quick google


The average residential electricity rate in Phoenix is 11.96¢/kWh. This average (residential) electricity rate in Phoenix is 5.93% greater than the Arizona average rate of 11.29¢/kWh. The average (residential) electricity rate in Phoenix is 0.67% greater than the national average rate of 11.88¢/kWh.

You must get a special rate?
I'm on the electric companies demand plan which gives me the lower price. That is my off peak price. The price is higher from 3 PM to 8 PM Monday through Friday during the demand hours so I limit my usage during those hours. Just 20 hours per week on the demand time. My highest electric bill this last year was $99.10 and I'm all electric. No natural gas etc available.
 
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