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The COVID19 SCAMdemic... Biden Moves To Outlaw Acorns, Limit Squirrel Immigration

riceburner

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Sorry if i seemed triggered earlier lol. Come back ill play nice!
 

anotero

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So it doesn't exist because....?

1. Insuffient time of data collection.
2. Difficulty establishing the baseline.
3. Confusing correlation and causation.
4. Existence of well known planetary climate cycles.

The primitivity of assuming anthropogenic climate change is as silly as thinking Earth is at the center of the universe with the sun and the stars revolving around it.
 

anotero

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Lets just think real quick about a feedback loop of sorts here.

* Without humans, the earth does a pretty great job of keeping everything stoic. There are volcanoes, ice ages, rainy periods, droughts, etc, yes! But some of these main evens come and go over millions of years.
* The earth breathes and recycles itself pretty efficiently, not by design, per se, but by evolution. Algae in the ocean create some 70% of the oxygen. The amazon sequesters C02 and spits out more oxygen. Animals breathe in the oxygen, and left unfettered, aid in recycling organic matter, allowing the soils to remain healthy as they graze and move around.

Insert humans.
As one chain of examples:
Humans chop down portions of amazon. This uses resources to build the machinery, get the machinery there, and do the work.
Biodiversity begins to plummet, pragmatically.
The trees are removed. Trees are essentially tons of stored and sequestered carbon from the atmosphere. These are removed. If burned, all of that carbon is released into the atmosphere. The remaining trees get split up, probably wrapped in plastic or combined with other materials to be turned into something else. Plastic, of course, is made from long polymer chains, or oil, essentially.
In the same spot, the soil is repurposed for, say, soy bean farms for cows, or actual car pastures. The soil is treated with nitrogen and fertilizer. This makes the soil unable to sequester carbon and actually begins to release more carbon. Of course the cow farts and burbs release tons of methane into the atmosphere as well. Not to mention, humans eating the meat, and creating our own methane, and left over rancid meat rotting away again releases more methane and other greenhouse gasses.
Whats left of the site that took down a portion of the rainforest is now a wasteland of sorts. What's left of the amazon does a less of a good job at helping the earth breathe. This causes droughts upstream and sequesters less and less C02. Plastic and other waste such as fertilizer and manure from the site runs off into the ocean, which kills oxygen producing algae. This aids in causing a warmer ocean. A warmer ocean Is all that a hurricane needs to become stronger and create more havoc when it lands on our coasts. Warmer oceans also cause ice sheets to melt, which not only cause ocean levels to rise, but release more carbon which increases the warming we are experiencing.

You may notice not everything in this one example is a-b-c-d. This is because not everything works as humans intend in a clean systematic approach. We think we are just chopping down a tree, to start a farm or sell for money. But at the end, we are releasing carbon both in getting to, chopping down, removing the tree, transporting the tree to its factory, releasing C02 if we burn the tree, and if nothing else, not allowing the tree to be absorbed by the earth's natural fungal networks which help create healthy, c02 sequestering soil. Everything we do, it is turning out, tends to have many direct and downstream (indirect) effects. It all becomes part of the bigger picture. And the bigger picture is, from us having ~8 billion people, to individuals using plastic straws, to large corporations burning huge piles of tires, to having oil leaks in the ocean, to you fertilizing your backyard, to me driving my car, to using air conditioners, whether we eat meat or soy beans, humans are turning the earth from an anti-fragile, self-sustaining ecosystem to a fragile, rapidly self-depleting hell hole.

1. False assumption of earth being good at keeping an equilibrium.
2. Transient phases that occur before steady-states (talk about feedback loops and control theory lol) can last long enough to wreak havoc. Yeah, lots of shit will happen in the meantime and stuff will die out, but hey, the earth will reach a state of balance. Eventually.
 

anotero

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This is to say, it is not JUST carbon. It is a huge combination of the following:
* Carbon monoxide
* Carbon dioxide
* Other pollutants emitted when we burn fuels, which include not just our cleanest yet gasoline and diesel, wood, plastic, and other things us and third world civilizations burn
* Both coal and oil are essentially 300+ million year old reserves of carbon.
* As such, generating AND using electricity causes heat, and lots of materials are used in the process of just harnessing and using electricity.
* Lithium is NOT exempt from this list
* Running air conditioners displaces heat and uses C02 at the same time
* Eating
* Pooping
* Humans displace water from its natural habitats, which keeps the earth from having as much water to go around at any given time which aids in heating it
* We are killing animals and ecosystems in many of the following ways: Displacing it to build our homes and factories and roads, mining it for resources to build said homes, roads, chemicals, etc, farming on it, hunting the animals themselves, and allowing our wastes to wash downstream into them, or fertilizer to land on them (see north pole, why is FETILIZER on the north pole?), overfishing, etc
It literally goes on and on. As modern humans, just about everything we do aids explicitly or implicitly in rapid climate change.

Yeah, man, those methane farting cows, dammit!
 

riceburner

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Yeah, man, those methane farting cows, dammit!
There is a lot more to farting cows than we want to chalk them up to be.

Even if cow farts and huge ponds of human methane weren't an actual issue, the rest of the list was completely ignored purposefully.

1. False assumption of earth being good at keeping an equilibrium.
2. Transient phases that occur before steady-states (talk about feedback loops and control theory lol) can last long enough to wreak havoc. Yeah, lots of shit will happen in the meantime and stuff will die out, but hey, the earth will reach a state of balance. Eventually.
Fail, and fail again. The earth WAS very hectic during its evolution, but short of the meteors that killed the dinosaurs, caused by external forces, and the ice age, also caused by external forces, the earth has gotten pretty good over the last few billion years at achieving equilibrium.

Lets look at it this way. Would the earth be as it is if humans werent around? Again, phytoplankton are being killed due to OUR plastic, manure and fertilizer run-off, among other things. When they die, its not just for one generation, Really it is getting worse the further we go. The earth now has less oxygen producing organisms than before, and less ability to. How is this NOT caused by humans?

I'll wait. Are trees NOT whats producing oxygen? Are the oceans phytoplankton NOT producing the oxygen? Or, if they are, are humans NOT the direct cause (oh, no, it was the axes fault not the human)
1. Insuffient time of data collection.
2. Difficulty establishing the baseline.
3. Confusing correlation and causation.
4. Existence of well known planetary climate cycles.

The primitivity of assuming anthropogenic climate change is as silly as thinking Earth is at the center of the universe with the sun and the stars revolving around it.
1) sufficient enough time to observe definite change
2) the baseline is established more than enough to document extreme changes since
3) Confusing to you maybe. I think its pretty easy to imagine letting a tree grow and support populations of fungi, squirrels, birds and insects, all the while sequestering C02 and releasing oxygen makes sense. And chopping down and burning the tree releases C02. Pretty easy to understand how this would affect a local climate/ecosystems right around the tree. Now, just scale it up and vastly increase the complexity.
4) Climate cycles don't start or end within ~100 years. Like extreme and more constant barrages of hurricanes, droughts, forest fires, etc. Planetary climate cycles are pretty well understood. In fact, the very people that most study those cycles (and its not always a cycle, usually it's kind of a one-way street) are the very people WARNING US ABOUT CLIMATE CHANGE!

The primitivity of humans, having made themselves the primary predator of the planet, and exponentially increasing their numbers, technology and destructive patterns NOT having an effect on the planet is like thinking the sun revolves around us.
 
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There is a lot more to farting cows than we want to chalk them up to be.

Even if cow farts and huge ponds of human methane weren't an actual issue, the rest of the list was completely ignored purposefully.


Fail, and fail again. The earth WAS very hectic during its evolution, but short of the meteors that killed the dinosaurs, caused by external forces, and the ice age, also caused by external forces, the earth has gotten pretty good over the last few billion years at achieving equilibrium.

Lets look at it this way. Would the earth be as it is if humans werent around? Again, phytoplankton are being killed due to OUR plastic, manure and fertilizer run-off, among other things. When they die, its not just for one generation, Really it is getting worse the further we go. The earth now has less oxygen producing organisms than before, and less ability to. How is this NOT caused by humans?

I'll wait. Are trees NOT whats producing oxygen? Are the oceans phytoplankton NOT producing the oxygen? Or, if they are, are humans NOT the direct cause (oh, no, it was the axes fault not the human)

1) sufficient enough time to observe definite change
2) the baseline is established more than enough to document extreme changes since
3) Confusing to you maybe
4) Climate cycles don't start or end within ~100 years. Like extreme and more constant barrages of hurricanes, droughts, forest fires, etc.

The primitivity of humans, having made themselves the primary predator of the planet, and exponentially increasing their numbers, technology and destructive patterns NOT having an effect on the planet is like thinking the sun revolves around us.

Could you tackle the shape of the earth next? Or the moon landing. Whichever is less trouble for you.

TIA
 

riceburner

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The earth is flat, as seen from the people who landed on the moon.
 

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anotero

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There is a lot more to farting cows than we want to chalk them up to be.

Even if cow farts and huge ponds of human methane weren't an actual issue, the rest of the list was completely ignored purposefully.


Fail, and fail again. The earth WAS very hectic during its evolution, but short of the meteors that killed the dinosaurs, caused by external forces, and the ice age, also caused by external forces, the earth has gotten pretty good over the last few billion years at achieving equilibrium.

Lets look at it this way. Would the earth be as it is if humans werent around? Again, phytoplankton are being killed due to OUR plastic, manure and fertilizer run-off, among other things. When they die, its not just for one generation, Really it is getting worse the further we go. The earth now has less oxygen producing organisms than before, and less ability to. How is this NOT caused by humans?

I'll wait. Are trees NOT whats producing oxygen? Are the oceans phytoplankton NOT producing the oxygen? Or, if they are, are humans NOT the direct cause (oh, no, it was the axes fault not the human)

1) sufficient enough time to observe definite change
2) the baseline is established more than enough to document extreme changes since
3) Confusing to you maybe. I think its pretty easy to imagine letting a tree grow and support populations of fungi, squirrels, birds and insects, all the while sequestering C02 and releasing oxygen makes sense. And chopping down and burning the tree releases C02. Pretty easy to understand how this would affect a local climate/ecosystems right around the tree. Now, just scale it up and vastly increase the complexity.
4) Climate cycles don't start or end within ~100 years. Like extreme and more constant barrages of hurricanes, droughts, forest fires, etc. Planetary climate cycles are pretty well understood. In fact, the very people that most study those cycles (and its not always a cycle, usually it's kind of a one-way street) are the very people WARNING US ABOUT CLIMATE CHANGE!

The primitivity of humans, having made themselves the primary predator of the planet, and exponentially increasing their numbers, technology and destructive patterns NOT having an effect on the planet is like thinking the sun revolves around us.

The Ice Age? You think tbere was only one?

How do you explain the Roman Climatic Optimum? Cows, factories, burning coal?
 

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I realize this is a tweet, based on a report, based on the Washington Post article, but I kind of doubt that it's "hundreds of thousands" unless they are talking about "full vaccination". The post I work at has a 98% vaccination rate for those with at least one shot. Full vaccination is complete (at least according to the DoD) at 14 days after the second shot.
 

npace

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Record lows at the South pole. The ocean near Antarctica is freezing, area of ice is increasing. What will the sect of the global warming believers say to that?
I want it noted that I was arguing with the people who were claiming this all as fact back in September when it was still "warm". Waiting for the "you obviously haven't seen 'The Day After Tomorrow' " argument.
 

npace

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So it doesn't exist because....?
We've done this already. It might exist, but there's no evidence, because there's no control. The Earth has been warming since the end of the last ice age, and as heat is retained on the earth's surface and in the atmosphere, the accumulation becomes exponential. So, the reality is that the earth would be warming, or the climate would be changing, regardless of human activity. The real question is, to what extent? The real answer is that we don't know, because we couldn't accurately measure the things we use now to make those conclusions until well after the industrial revolution was underway.
 

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Are you guys are denying that human caused climate change exists?
Yes. There is a volcano right now spewing out more CO2 than everything we've done in the last 100 years.
In the big picture, Earth is not warming or cooling, it's right in the middle. .
They need to stop 'geo-engineering' and stop spraying the skies with chemtrails or cloud seeding, whatever the hell they're doing.
Then maybe there wouldn't be floods in some areas, and droughts in others.
 
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