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The COVID19 SCAMdemic... Fully Vaccinated LeBron James Cries Again - This Time With COVID

MagicMK

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Also, you keep making attacks, just not in that last post. You said I couldn't figure it out "in my biased little brain" and have, more than once, called people names in here. I was pointing out that your "an omission isn't a lie" is a stupid argument. Sorry if that offends you, but it doesn't make it less true. At the end of the day you need to realize that people's freedoms don't and shouldn't end where your fear begins. You talk about "ad hominem" attacks yet you consistently go after the perceived political affiliation of the person making an argument, rather than the actual argument. You have also, frequently, set out to mislabel everyone with a conservative view point as a white, racist, religious zealot or redneck (an example is your construction worker argument and your "majority of police" argument, since I know you'll try and say "when have I ever done that?"). You live by the ad hominem attack.
My "attack" was in response to your attack on me. I recall writing that, but that was only after you took multiple shots at me. Political affiliation is open game. Also, certain groups of people are known to vote certain ways... this is not me attacking anyone. Do you really believe police departments are filled with liberal Democrats? I mean, come on... this stuff is common knowledge. Most African Americans vote Democrat. Most college professors vote Democrat. Most non-union blue collar workers, esp living in rural zip codes, vote Republican. Do you really disagree with this or think that it's some type of attack????

Also, one more thing about the racist stuff... the Republican Party has become racist. Trump is the head of the party, and he's clearly a big racist (really, are you gonna argue differently?). So, sure, you can technically be a Republican w/o being a racist, but you have to come to grips with the fact that you're supporting a political party that has a lot of racist rhetoric. I mean, just look how Fox News (watched mostly by Republicans) covers Black Lives Matter vs how they cover the mob that invaded the US Capitol, assaulted police officers, stole things, and attempted to stop Democracy. You don't notice ANY racist undertones in the coverage? Really?
 
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anotero

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I think the premise of the video had more to do with individual freedoms than who or what it is that is exploiting people. The way I took it, and I think you would agree, is that the government should be protecting our freedoms, not limiting them in a power grab. Plus he goes after big business in the video as well (tech, Bill gates farm conglomerate). I mean, he can't go after everything, its a short video.

I am a proponent of one simple theory formulated by a bearded German guy some 150+ years ago: government is a tool in the hands of the ruling class. The ruling class is composed of crooks like Bill Gates, so the government acts in his interest, not ours. This government can (but is not obligated to) protect our freedoms only if it suits the ruling class, as a fortunate (for us) byproduct of its actions. I therefore have no illusions about what this government can do if it suits the ruling class, including internment camps, artificial food shortages, mandatory vaccinations, and even genocide.

But aside from all that (consider me triggered lol) i do understand where the ginger is coming from, and agree to an extent.

I like his old videos, especially about meat eaters acting as if they were vegetarians. Hilarious!
 

npace

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Did you fail to read what I just wrote? I stated that it was possible that Trump had such a briefing, but now Biden is President and he'd have access to the same classified intelligence. He set up a special investigating the origins panel for cripes sake... so, if such intelligence existed, the intelligence agencies and Biden would have access to it. That's my point, it does NOT exist... Trump was, once again, lying. There is a classified version of the report, but the unclassified version acknowledges US Intelligence still does not agree on whether the virus came from a lab in China or it had natural origins. So, once again, if Trump had the "smoking gun" intelligence on COVID origins, then why is US intelligence still so unsure about whether the virus is natural or released from a lab experiment?

Also, to be clear, I think Fauci is great overall, *however* I actually do agree that he was too dismissive early on about the idea that the virus came from the lab in Wuhan. In his defense, though, most of the scientists around the world were claiming it had to be of natural origins... but now there has been reporting that there was a concerted effort by the lead person on the WHO team that went to China who was actually friends with the "Bat Lady" who headed the L4 lab in Wuhan... to mislead the public about the possibility that the leak was from the lab.

Have you read the latest reporting about the lead person on the WHO team who was turned down by DARPA for GOF funding on bat viruses???... he later claimed a lab leak was impossible, but meanwhile he actually was the person that tried to work with the Wuhan Lab on funding a GOF bat virus experiments!

Read this:
https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2021/09/lab-leak-pandemic-origins-even-messier/620209/
This wasn't the Biden vs Trump debate you're trying to turn it into. This was about CNN purposefully misleading the public.
 

npace

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My "attack" was in response to your attack on me. I recall writing that, but that was only after you took multiple shots at me. Political affiliation is open game. Also, certain groups of people are known to vote certain ways... this is not me attacking anyone. Do you really believe police departments are filled with liberal Democrats? I mean, come on... this stuff is common knowledge. Most African Americans vote Democrat. Most college professors vote Democrat. Most non-union blue collar workers, esp living in rural zip codes, vote Republican. Do you really disagree with this or think that it's some type of attack????

Also, one more thing about the racist stuff... the Republican Party has become racist. Trump is the head of the party, and he's clearly a big racist (really, are you gonna argue differently?). So, sure, you can technically be a Republican w/o being a racist, but you have to come to grips with the fact that you're supporting a political party that has a lot of racist rhetoric. I mean, just look how Fox News (watched mostly by Republicans) covers Black Lives Matter vs how they cover the mob that invaded the US Capitol, assaulted police officers, stole things, and attempted to stop Democracy. You don't notice ANY racist undertones in the coverage? Really?
I know that attacking an argument based on perceived political affiliation is an ad hominem attack, which is what you're accusing me of.
 

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Did you fail to read what I just wrote? I stated that it was possible that Trump had such a briefing, but now Biden is President and he'd have access to the same classified intelligence. He set up a special investigating the origins panel for cripes sake... so, if such intelligence existed, the intelligence agencies and Biden would have access to it. That's my point, it does NOT exist... Trump was, once again, lying. There is a classified version of the report, but the unclassified version acknowledges US Intelligence still does not agree on whether the virus came from a lab in China or it had natural origins. So, once again, if Trump had the "smoking gun" intelligence on COVID origins, then why is US intelligence still so unsure about whether the virus is natural or released from a lab experiment?

Also, to be clear, I think Fauci is great overall, *however* I actually do agree that he was too dismissive early on about the idea that the virus came from the lab in Wuhan. In his defense, though, most of the scientists around the world were claiming it had to be of natural origins... but now there has been reporting that there was a concerted effort by the lead person on the WHO team that went to China who was actually friends with the "Bat Lady" who headed the L4 lab in Wuhan... to mislead the public about the possibility that the leak was from the lab.

Have you read the latest reporting about the lead person on the WHO team who was turned down by DARPA for GOF funding on bat viruses???... he later claimed a lab leak was impossible, but meanwhile he actually was the person that tried to work with the Wuhan Lab on funding a GOF bat virus experiments!

Read this:
https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2021/09/lab-leak-pandemic-origins-even-messier/620209/
Your credibility disappeared with a link to The Atlantic.
Let's just say it was made in a lab, do you think they would just keep the evidence around for anyone to find? They would smash phones and delete hard drives, Hillary Clinton style. If there is intelligence, it's classified. And if Pfizer and the government are in bed together (they are), why would anyone speak truth to power? What I see is a concerted effort by all parties involved to coverup the truth and silence anyone who goes against the narrative. Get the booster and expedite your departure.
 

npace

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Also, one more thing about the racist stuff... the Republican Party has become racist. Trump is the head of the party, and he's clearly a big racist (really, are you gonna argue differently?). So, sure, you can technically be a Republican w/o being a racist, but you have to come to grips with the fact that you're supporting a political party that has a lot of racist rhetoric. I mean, just look how Fox News (watched mostly by Republicans) covers Black Lives Matter vs how they cover the mob that invaded the US Capitol, assaulted police officers, stole things, and attempted to stop Democracy. You don't notice ANY racist undertones in the coverage? Really?
I'm not going to let you change the argument by trying to make me the defender of fox news, that's not what this is about. You used all manner of ad hominem attacks in here, and then got upset when I called you out for admitting that the CDC lied but claimed it wasn't a lie.

As for your insistence on making this about race (I'm shocked :rolleyes:) I would argue that the Democrat "you are incapable of helping yourselves, so we'll do it for you" mentality is far more racist than a few assholes in maga hats waiving the confederate flag, and it certainly doesn't represent any major us political party. At least the second group isn't hiding their intent. It's called the soft bigotry of low expectations - feel free to look that up while thinking about how your statement that "white liberals are the ones curbing the pandemic" isn't at all racist in your mind.
 

anotero

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My "attack" was in response to your attack on me. I recall writing that, but that was only after you took multiple shots at me. Political affiliation is open game. Also, certain groups of people are known to vote certain ways... this is not me attacking anyone. Do you really believe police departments are filled with liberal Democrats? I mean, come on... this stuff is common knowledge. Most African Americans vote Democrat. Most college professors vote Democrat. Most non-union blue collar workers, esp living in rural zip codes, vote Republican. Do you really disagree with this or think that it's some type of attack????

Also, one more thing about the racist stuff... the Republican Party has become racist. Trump is the head of the party, and he's clearly a big racist (really, are you gonna argue differently?). So, sure, you can technically be a Republican w/o being a racist, but you have to come to grips with the fact that you're supporting a political party that has a lot of racist rhetoric. I mean, just look how Fox News (watched mostly by Republicans) covers Black Lives Matter vs how they cover the mob that invaded the US Capitol, assaulted police officers, stole things, and attempted to stop Democracy. You don't notice ANY racist undertones in the coverage? Really?

Are you going to apologize for falsely claiming people in this thread voted Trump (x2) when they in fact did not? Or is branding fair game in your book?
 
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anotero

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Your credibility disappeared with a link to The Atlantic.
Let's just say it was made in a lab, do you think they would just keep the evidence around for anyone to find? They would smash phones and delete hard drives, Hillary Clinton style. If there is intelligence, it's classified. And if Pfizer and the government are in bed together (they are), why would anyone speak truth to power? What I see is a concerted effort by all parties involved to coverup the truth and silence anyone who goes against the narrative. Get the booster and expedite your departure.

Referring to The Atlantic is soooo not comme il faute. Mr. Two Master's is a caricature.
 

MagicMK

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Your credibility disappeared with a link to The Atlantic.
Let's just say it was made in a lab, do you think they would just keep the evidence around for anyone to find? They would smash phones and delete hard drives, Hillary Clinton style. If there is intelligence, it's classified. And if Pfizer and the government are in bed together (they are), why would anyone speak truth to power? What I see is a concerted effort by all parties involved to coverup the truth and silence anyone who goes against the narrative. Get the booster and expedite your departure.
There's just so much to unpack there... where to even start?

The Atlantic is one of the best journalistic magazines around with impeccable credibility.

The virus almost certainly came out of the lab in Wuhan during GOF testing, based on all of the evidence I've reviewed so far (and it's a lot).

I'm going to ignore the Hillary Clinton comment as that's an entirely separate rabbit hole.

China cannot hide all of the evidence. There are blood samples, emails, US and foreign govt intercepts that they may not have even read yet (note, there are not enough Mandarin speaking intelligence officers in the US). China has tried to cover up the evidence, but they can't hide information we already have, and there is more that is leaking out over time... such as the claim that multiple scientists working at Wuhan went to the hospital for SARS COVID-like symptoms back around Sept/Oct of 2019. We also have the recent information about the proposal submitted by that UK scientist to release a modified bat virus into the wild... and DARPA turned him down, but nobody knows if China ended up doing the experiment, anyway (at least nobody knows that is talking right now).
 

MagicMK

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I'm not going to let you change the argument by trying to make me the defender of fox news, that's not what this is about. You used all manner of ad hominem attacks in here, and then got upset when I called you out for admitting that the CDC lied but claimed it wasn't a lie.

As for your insistence on making this about race (I'm shocked :rolleyes:) I would argue that the Democrat "you are incapable of helping yourselves, so we'll do it for you" mentality is far more racist than a few assholes in maga hats waiving the confederate flag, and it certainly doesn't represent any major us political party. At least the second group isn't hiding their intent. It's called the soft bigotry of low expectations - feel free to look that up while thinking about how your statement that "white liberals are the ones curbing the pandemic" isn't at all racist in your mind.
Well, I can quote previous posts where you've used ad hominem attacks, but you'll likely blame it on me, so let's suffice it to say to just stop it going forward.

That's a typical conservative trope... helping people is racist. That's utter nonsense. According to such ridiculous logic, giving food to a starving mentally ill homeless person would only cause them to continue to be "lazy" and not work.. and if the homeless person was black, then helping them out with $1 or some food is racist. It's just absurd conservative nonsense. Like cutting taxes increases govt revenue. It was a lie when Reagan said it, and it's still a lie, today.
 
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MagicMK

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This wasn't the Biden vs Trump debate you're trying to turn it into. This was about CNN purposefully misleading the public.
You're misleading the public. I didn't make anything into a Biden vs Trump debate. As I said, Trump lied about the intelligence. You're basing your opinion on Fauci on Trumps lies... who the hell else claimed to have classified evidence of this being a Wuhan lab leak other than Trump? As I stated, Biden is the new POTUS, and if Trump really did have such evidence, then Biden would now have it.... yetttttttttt, the US Intelligence services are "split" on whether COVID occurred naturally or was a lab leak. So, again, Trump lied, and you're attacking Fauci based on Trump's lie. 1 + 1 = 2. What are you even debating at this point?
 
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