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**Gun Enthusiast Thread**

VAG_Guy

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US
It's more about gun laws that go into place that make it harder for gun and ammo manufacturers to operate and for regular citizens to buy new ammo. That being said, it isn't going to be a quick come and take your guns, it's the slow erosion that gets you.

Also 9mm prices did go up a good amount, but have you seen 380 lately? Can't even find it and if you do it's like $2 a round.
 

Thumper

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It's more about gun laws that go into place that make it harder for gun and ammo manufacturers to operate and for regular citizens to buy new ammo. That being said, it isn't going to be a quick come and take your guns, it's the slow erosion that gets you.

Or say........the ATF just randomly making up rules without even any laws to back them up. We don't need bad laws when we ignore the nondelegation doctrine.

Obama didn't take all our guns because they CAN'T take our guns until they get a few more pieces in place. He moved his fair share of pieces on the board though. VAG is right, it's the slow erosion where people get complaisant and then act surprised. It has happened over, and over, and over again in history and yet no one ever seems to remember. Even the anti-gunners aren't stupid enough to think they can pass a law outlawing every gun on Jan 21st because they still have two problems. First, they would have to know where those guns are (that's in the works), and Second they know the instant they do that we will have the military in the streets gunning down civilians who refuse to comply because how else will you accomplish that? They can paint a small percentage of the population as "extremists" and wipe them out, but when it's closer to half the country that's hard to do. Got to remove as many as possible before that step.

But yeah, to argue they aren't taking ALL our guns because they are just taking some is mind-nubbingly naive. The second they can take 5 rounds out of a magazine, they can take 10. If they take a semi-auto rifle, they can take a magazine fed bolt action. When they can take a stock they can take a trigger, a barrel, and anything. No one pays attention to CA? I lived there, I remember when they banned any magazine over 15 rounds........then 10 rounds........now they have a ban on rifles with magazines although it was so poorly written it got slightly circumvented. High tax on ammo, restrictions on ammo, registries for ammo........seriously if you honestly sit around and say no one is coming for your guns and you brush off good ole Beto as an outlier.................well, how would you like some beachfront property in New Mexico?

We used to have to refer back to Nazi Germany and the subsequent Soviet Union for examples of this slow creep and it was universally understood that this type of government overreach was dangerous. Unfortunately modern society is dumbed down and ignorant of history, so we repeat it constantly. Now we need look only a few years in the past and use Venezuela as an example and we should, because you can be damn sure someone else is.........

Ammo is stupid right now, my wife has a friend who finally decided to get a CCW the end of last year and she picked up a Shield in .380. She asked for help finding ammo and I knew .380 had gotten popular but did not expect to see the same issues as .223 and 9mm. I found the same thing, no one has it and when they do it's $2 a shot........$2 for .380!!!!!! I pay that for my .45-70 Gov, well I would if I could find that anywhere either. lol

Thankfully I stocked up several years back on the important stuff and maintained supplies with trickle orders but even that is hard now. About the only thing I have a surplus of is .22 since it's not re-loadable I went mad and bought tons of the stuff.
 

krs

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Idaho
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MKVIIS R
Okay, deep breathe here. Firearms, politics, and religion. Some of the passionate topics that get's people fired up in arguments, which I'm not saying there's arguing going on here, but that tipping point is always a fine balance. I own (or lost in a boating accident) dozens of firearms, including a registered SBR, other AR's, handguns, etc. I bought all my ammo wholesale back when I was really into shooting, and training. I have enough of the calibers I care to own, that I haven't shopped since 2010ish. I have boxes of unopened mags for my AR's, and handguns. I am for some firearm legislation, and will do what I can where I can against others. But using Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union as some of the only examples get's tiring to read, as there are other developed countries with tighter legislation, and are still considered free countries.

Firearm legislation, or the lack of, is a complicated matter in my opinion. What is really being looked at to consider? You'll get all sorts of opinions on the topic, but ultimately I'd say lessening the deaths where firearms were the instrument used is the ultimate end state. It's not because one part is looking to suppress another, and next thing you know you're being marched off to a gas chamber. Australia is an example of a country with very tight firearm laws. But let's be real, Australia never had, and still does not, have the amount of firearm related deaths that the U.S. has, but you can argue a point based on per capita numbers. This could be due to the fact that the US population is very mobile, we have decentralized law enforcement, racial division has been and still is rampant, and generally we have a higher tolerance for homicide.

Research can also be found in regard to the number of mass killings in AUS before and after the NFA law of 1996, and also whether the law changes affected the number of firearm related deaths. This particular study (multiple) found that there was a drop in the rate of firearm deaths, particularly with suicides. But AUS also leads the US in mental health awareness and support, which could be a factor in suicide prevention as well. The same university research also showed that while there had been 13 mass shootings (using the definition of five or more people killed) in the 18 years before the law changes, there had been none in the 22 years following until 2018. Modelling suggested that if shootings had continued at a similar rate as that prior to the NFA, then approximately 16 incidents would have been expected by February 2018. (essentially educated guessing).

During the 90's, many American states liberalized firearm laws considerably, allowing more concealed carry provisions and lessening controls in general. Is that purely the reason homicide rates decreased in response to loosening of firearms laws? So what other factors could have contributed to that? I don't know.

So what I'm getting at for me, some legislation could be beneficial, but even more so is better enforcement of what's currently there.
 
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Thumper

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Sedalia, MO
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2018 Audi TTRS
Okay, deep breathe here. Firearms, politics, and religion. Some of the passionate topics that get's people fired up in arguments, which I'm not saying there's arguing going on here, but that tipping point is always a fine balance.


My new years' resolution was to stop getting worked up and pulled into arguments on internet forums. :D I love having discussions, but when it devolves into an argument where feelings are used instead of facts, I'm checking out from now on. I'm doing pretty well so far.

So what I'm getting at for me, some legislation could be beneficial, but even more so is better enforcement of what's currently there.

Here here. when you back out gun crime by gangs and people who are not even supposed to have a firearm it gets a lot more interesting. The belief that more laws will stop people already breaking existing laws is a real head scratcher.


On a topic related note.....anyone else planning on adding one of these?

https://www.keltecweapons.com/firearms/pistols/p50/



I mean, it's 1/3 the price of a P90 and sure the ammo is expensive, but hey, no more so than .380......LOL Finally, there's an argument to get a 5.7mm firearm now that ammo price isn't a factor.

If Biden gives me $1400 you can bet your ASS I'm going to buy one of these and 100 rounds of ammo with it. lol
 

swcrow

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Virginia
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7.5
My new years' resolution was to stop getting worked up and pulled into arguments on internet forums. :D I love having discussions, but when it devolves into an argument where feelings are used instead of facts, I'm checking out from now on. I'm doing pretty well so far.
YES

Here here. when you back out gun crime by gangs and people who are not even supposed to have a firearm it gets a lot more interesting. The belief that more laws will stop people already breaking existing laws is a real head scratcher.
#Truth

On a topic related note.....anyone else planning on adding one of these?

https://www.keltecweapons.com/firearms/pistols/p50/
That.....is......awesome
 

Corprin

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Twin Cities
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A car
The rhetoric is deep in this thread, and it’s both sad and funny at the same time.

You all see that there’s been more than 100 seditionists arrested so far?!? Can’t wait for them to be convicted, going to be a windfall of weapons and ammo flooding the market. 😄
 

Corprin

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Twin Cities
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A car
I take it this is old news? If Sleepy Joe's people are on the ball (LOL) this will make their hit parade:

P50 - KelTec (keltecweapons.com)


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Keehs360

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Denver
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Mk7.5
Yeah, old news. It was posted three posts above yours.

It's not a legit handgun unless it comes with a IWB holster.
That thing is gross. I’m usually a “gun is a gun is a gun” but holy fuck that thing looks like a gamer puked all over it
 

Thumper

Autocross Champion
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Sedalia, MO
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2018 Audi TTRS
That thing is gross. I’m usually a “gun is a gun is a gun” but holy fuck that thing looks like a gamer puked all over it

It's very Cyberpunk, but hey, if you have a better pistol with a 50 round capacity without using a bulky jam-prone drum I'd love to see it. lol

Besides, I personally care a little bit more about how a gun functions than what it looks like. At the end of the day it's a tool, not an instagram model.
 

krs

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Idaho
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MKVIIS R
I would never in a lifetime consider using this handgun for anything more than shooting trash in the desert. Even at that, the 5.7 round is not a plinking round in my eyes. Aside from the FN57 or the P90, you don't see much out there chambered in this. Even then the P90 is probably what I would think of in being the better platform.

The P50 is obviously a play on the P90 name, and really seems like it's more of a pet project than a legit useful firearm. If you need 50 rounds of ammo in a handgun, you're either doing it wrong, or things are so bad that this little handgun isn't going to do much.

Now I'm sure the design process and mechanics are interesting, but it's nothing I'd ever own. But there's plenty of tacti-cool types that will probably scoop this up quick.
 

Thumper

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Sedalia, MO
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2018 Audi TTRS
I would never in a lifetime consider using this handgun for anything more than shooting trash in the desert. Even at that, the 5.7 round is not a plinking round in my eyes. Aside from the FN57 or the P90, you don't see much out there chambered in this. Even then the P90 is probably what I would think of in being the better platform.

The P50 is obviously a play on the P90 name, and really seems like it's more of a pet project than a legit useful firearm. If you need 50 rounds of ammo in a handgun, you're either doing it wrong, or things are so bad that this little handgun isn't going to do much.

Now I'm sure the design process and mechanics are interesting, but it's nothing I'd ever own. But there's plenty of tacti-cool types that will probably scoop this up quick.

Cool story.

So you've tested this gun?
 
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