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gas going up to $4.00/gallon!

fastrabbit

Ready to race!
Location
New Jersey
Gulfer said:
Its all a scam, this shit in the face of this new push to use E85, what a crock. I wonder what the message the oil companies are trying to give us is? "Gas is expensive, shit, so you better conserve and use E85". This is being done because of course E85 only serves to extend the life expectancy of oil companies, rather then letter ppl thinking about real alternatives such as hydrogen... oh well.. gas prices/politics have always been a big scam by the oil companies, and people in this country are just too stupid to see it. atleast bush and friends make some cash on the side, so everything is ok.

You don't want me to start on this crap about politics, just make me :barf: Just blame yourself for voting a moron that is a puppet to the whole administration, and that only looks out for #1.........Oh wait doesn't every politician do that.....oops stupid me........
 

atomoverride

Ruler of Omicron Persei 8
Location
Long Beach, CA.
gas prices are the reason I traded in my 2003 gmc for a 2006 GTI. The car gets way better gas milliage and the last time I filled up my truck before I traded it in I paid 75$ for a full tank. The GTI was around 38$
 

earthtoandy

Touring Car Champion
Location
Phoenix, AZ
Something really needs to be done about this crap. When an oil company nets 100 billion in a quarter with 10 billion of that being profit, in ONE quarter.... there is something seriously wrong. Gas is a nessecity of our civilization and the fact it goes unchecked as it does is ridiculous
 

nomad

FIA World Rally Car Newbie
Location
dallas, tx
we had a pipeline break in phoenix about 2 years ago, and the prices went like nutto down the street from me. i think they got to like 5+$ for 2-3 weeks. I was driving a 91 crx then, and it burned more oil than gas xD so i was like "woohoo!," that little bastard could get me 30-35mpg if i drove it right. i loved that car, finally sold it when i moved to germany.
 

earthtoandy

Touring Car Champion
Location
Phoenix, AZ
yeah the pipeline break was miserable. We got a taste of the seventies. Most gas stations out of fuel, long lines and high prices. man that sucked
 

Wantagti

insufficient funds
Location
Apex, NC
Ride
Chevy Suburban Z71
We Americans take many things for granted. I'm sure other countries would say a little more than that about us.
 

andrewt

Autocross Champion
Location
Sugar Land, TX
earthtoandy said:
Something really needs to be done about this crap. When an oil company nets 100 billion in a quarter with 10 billion of that being profit, in ONE quarter.... there is something seriously wrong. Gas is a nessecity of our civilization and the fact it goes unchecked as it does is ridiculous
the fact is, the profits oil companies make from the sale of gas is a drop in the bucket compared to the profits made from other sectors. oil companies make their money in the exploration, extraction, and refining of oil, and because oil futures are so high right now, oil is worth more, so everyone wants to extract as much oil out of the ground as possible. it also should be noted that its not the companies themselves that set gas prices...its the people RUNNING the gas station.

not to mention, most petrochemical companies make a vast array of products, from plastics to chemicals to lubricants that contribute greatly to the bottom line as well.

there are a lot of factors that go into determining gas prices, and you can't simply place blame on the oil company, just like you can't just place blame on the government. the switch to ethanol, the nuclear crisis in iran, the switch from winter to summer production, are all factors that determine the price of gas.
 
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bilbos

On the Kop
Location
Pennsylvania
earthtoandy said:
Something really needs to be done about this crap. When an oil company nets 100 billion in a quarter with 10 billion of that being profit, in ONE quarter.... there is something seriously wrong. Gas is a nessecity of our civilization and the fact it goes unchecked as it does is ridiculous
It is a necessity, but one that is an unhealthy reliance. More money should be spent on research into alternatives.

Why the fact that Iran is trying to produce enriched uranium, is impacting on oil prices now, I just cannot understand. I know why, because the analysts are thinking too far ahead about the possible ramifications of a military strike on a country that is the 4th largest producer of crude.
 

earthtoandy

Touring Car Champion
Location
Phoenix, AZ
oh its all a game. what story can we make up to drive the prices up....


I agree we need to get rid of oil as soon as possib le. and the lack of development there is sickening. But at this point we as citizens have no choice. And the fact that these companies go unchecked with their 10 billion in profit is very concerning. The government looks out for me with electricity rates, not allowing the companies to just raise rates as they wish. I see the oil companies as no different. With our income not rising and fuel shooting off we could see real bad effects to our economy
 

Wild Hare

.: MR. BIG STUFF :.
Location
Nortvest
Ride
2015 Golf R (TUNED)
Those who complain should contact state & federal legislators. Or better yet, purchase some stock in oil companies (they are making huge profits off us).

Best thing to do:
Just keep your car in tune, use great quality synthetic oil ("some" will increase MPG by as much as 8% --- over time at these prices it can really make a difference in your wallet), use a quality fuel system cleaner, and check tire inflation too.

And those thinking that Hybrid is the way to go... several things to consider: (1) more up front cost (2) After the warranty is up and your hybrid battery goes, it can cost as much as $5,000 or more (depending on supply) to replace the battery, that's not including labor cost too.

Map Quest has a hybrid banner and it asks you to click in and compare how much you would have saved driving a Hybrid... not much.

Funny thing is people are so focused on the new car technology (Hybrid) that they forget the VW Diesel which has been out for awhile gets upwards of 50MPG and there are owners that have hit the 60 MPG level too!
 

Teknophreak

Rally Car Champion
Location
Cleveland, Ohio
bilbos said:
It is a necessity, but one that is an unhealthy reliance. More money should be spent on research into alternatives.
+2

Just think about the amount of research that could be funded by 10 billion dollars. Sadly, the only research the oil companies are likely to do is find new ways to drain every last drop of oil from the ground.

I just hope we don't elect another short-sighted president in the US. This nation used to be able to do great things when we had great leaders with vision.
 

andrewt

Autocross Champion
Location
Sugar Land, TX
i think we're making decent progress in alternative fuels. the new hybrids may not be great, but its encouraging that some of the cutting edge car companies are actually trying. they'll no doubt get better and better.

if you're hoping for a breakthrough technology like hydrogen power or the like, it may be a while. i'm sure there are people working on it, but its not like just throwing money at the problem is going to magically solve the problem. trying to make things like cold fusion and hydrogen power are huge undertakings, it will simply take time, and it WILL just be a matter of time before they come up with a material or process breakthrough. nuclear power, the gasoline engine, and the steam engine, wasn't invented overnight, and neither will these technologies.

of course i'm sure i'm stating the obvious here, but the problem with developing these technologies is that they require capital, with very little short term return on the investment. what profit-making company is going to do that? companies are formed to make money, pure and simple. until we become a communist state, its going to stay that way.
 

VDUBB

Rally Car Newbie
Location
Houston
I think gas prices are NOT high enough in the U.S. (#1 gas comsuming coutry). When it reaches a significantly high price for a gallon of gas, people with SUV's or other types of gas guzzling vehicles will start trading down to a better milage vehicle or it will push government to speed up their effort in coming up with a replacement for fuel. About the insane profits oil companies are making, governments should create a law where they sould use a % of their profit in research and technology for other source of fuel.
 

A41.8QTM

That's what she said
Location
Virginia Beach, VA
Ride
2008 GTI
I have to laugh at everyone getting all worked up over the price of gas here in the US. You do realize that we have some of the cheapest gas prices in the world, right? The amount of government support to the oil industry in this country is approaching criminal IMHO. I'd be happy to see gas go to 10$ per gallon. Maybe then people would start to evaluate the importance of having a Hummer that gets 12 miles/gallon. Most people in this country could use a little more exercise anyway. We're the fatest, most gluttonous, most wasteful people in the world...it's no wonder half the world hates us.
 

Rabbit GTI

Go Kart Champion
Location
U S and A
Ride
a GTI.
A41.8QTM said:
I have to laugh at everyone getting all worked up over the price of gas here in the US. You do realize that we have some of the cheapest gas prices in the world, right? The amount of government support to the oil industry in this country is approaching criminal IMHO. I'd be happy to see gas go to 10$ per gallon. Maybe then people would start to evaluate the importance of having a Hummer that gets 12 miles/gallon. Most people in this country could use a little more exercise anyway. We're the fatest, most gluttonous, most wasteful people in the world...it's no wonder half the world hates us.

well i cant speak for everyone, but i did already say that in post #7...everything you said is completely true, but i suppose ignorance is bliss...
 

Teknophreak

Rally Car Champion
Location
Cleveland, Ohio
andrewt said:
i think we're making decent progress in alternative fuels. the new hybrids may not be great, but its encouraging that some of the cutting edge car companies are actually trying. they'll no doubt get better and better.

if you're hoping for a breakthrough technology like hydrogen power or the like, it may be a while. i'm sure there are people working on it, but its not like just throwing money at the problem is going to magically solve the problem. trying to make things like cold fusion and hydrogen power are huge undertakings, it will simply take time, and it WILL just be a matter of time before they come up with a material or process breakthrough. nuclear power, the gasoline engine, and the steam engine, wasn't invented overnight, and neither will these technologies.

of course i'm sure i'm stating the obvious here, but the problem with developing these technologies is that they require capital, with very little short term return on the investment. what profit-making company is going to do that? companies are formed to make money, pure and simple. until we become a communist state, its going to stay that way.
No doubt these things are big problems, but nothing will ever get done until significant resources are applied. We have to start somewhere and given the long time it takes to develop various technologies, we'd better start soon.

Given the global impact and massive size of the problem, we can't leave it up to private business to solve the problem. Nations will have to come together for the common good...damn, we're screwed. :drinking:
 

andrewt

Autocross Champion
Location
Sugar Land, TX
Teknophreak said:
Given the global impact and massive size of the problem, we can't leave it up to private business to solve the problem. Nations will have to come together for the common good...damn, we're screwed. :drinking:
i agree. i dont think private companies are going to be willing to sink the capital required into producing alternative fuel methods, especially not when there's supposed to be enough oil for 80 years or something like that.

i dont know how much our country is giving out in terms of research grants for stuff like this. does anyone have a ballpark figure?
 
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