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The COVID19 SCAMdemic... Biden Moves To Outlaw Acorns, Limit Squirrel Immigration

Keehs360

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They are using the Keystone as an excuse to gouge prices. Absolutely nothing has changed since before Biden axed it, except a bunch of assholes wanting to get their dipshit base all riled up.

Only one hurting from that deal dying is Canada. We don’t currently ship shit from up there, or the NoDak fracking fields and haven’t been for a few years. It’s a dead subject after OPEC reigned is in by cutting their prices. Keystone was a worthless venture to support petrochemical, has noting to do with what you and I see at the pump. The prices now are not because we needed that pipeline. The prices increase because they are punishing the voting public for our government actually doing what’s best for us.
That’s what it sounds like to me too
 

jimlloyd40

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Part of it. Canceling the pipeline will increase transportation costs and lead to higher prices. Combined with the "going green" gives the oil companies carte blanche to do what they want with prices. Oh, and while we're at it, let's raise the gas tax.
Since there's no crude oil coming through the Keystone pipeline why would transportation costs be increased from what they are now other than inflation?

And the Federal gas tax should go up. It hasn't been increased since 1993 and the highways and bridges are being neglected.
 
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StorableComa

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Now that’s not very fair to PG&E. There’s a lot going on there.

CA passed a law a bunch of years ago preventing meaningful increases in rates for power. Then population exploded and system load went through the roof. So you had higher load on older infrastructure and no increased capital intake to allow for even basic maintenance, let alone upgrading the grid for current or future demands.

until there is a massive investment in CA’s grid, and basically every bit of infrastructure, shit just gonna get worse. You have dirty fossil fuel burning plants that have shit records (Mosslanding) getting investment while nuke power generation with flawless records (Diablo Canyon) are being shut down because... why? Fear?
I agree.. I don't get why they shut down the "Boobies". I'd have to assume it fear and the fact that there is no real way to deal with nuclear waste at the moment, so CA doesn't want to have anything to do with it.

I think nuclear got a bad wrap and we'd be better off with more nuclear power plants and less coal/natural gas plants.
 

Phur

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Since there's no crude oil coming through the Keystone pipeline why would transportation costs be increased from what they are now other than inflation?

And the Federal gas tax should go up. It hasn't been increased since 1993 and the highways and bridges are being neglected.
They would want to recoup the money that they have invested in the pipeline that is now going nowhere.
 

StorableComa

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They would want to recoup the money that they have invested in the pipeline that is now going nowhere.
This has to be part of it. They invested in something that would provide returns to pay for itself and eventually turn a profit. It's now no longer running and someone has to pay the piper.. or something.
 

Corprin

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Since there's no crude oil coming through the Keystone pipeline why would transportation costs be increased from what they are now other than inflation?

And the Federal gas tax should go up. It hasn't been increased since 1993 and the highways and bridges are being neglected.

There is no increase, because there is no reason to pull oil out of ND/MT fracking or AB tar sands. There is no oil being transported down anymore, like none. The huge rail traffic is gone, the jobs are gone. It was a boom and bust up there. We are barely extracting shit from ND/MD, and sure as hell not fracking anymore.

And I agree. We could use more money to fix our broken roads. American roads eat shit.
 

Corprin

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This has to be part of it. They invested in something that would provide returns to pay for itself and eventually turn a profit. It's now no longer running and someone has to pay the piper.. or something.

And cleaning up the massive oil spills that they’ve already caused with the pipeline thus far.
 

StorableComa

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There is no increase, because there is no reason to pull oil out of ND/MT fracking or AB tar sands. There is no oil being transported down anymore, like none. The huge rail traffic is gone, the jobs are gone. It was a boom and bust up there. We are barely extracting shit from ND/MD, and sure as hell not fracking anymore.

And I agree. We could use more money to fix our broken roads. American roads eat shit.
Backyard oil. Hicks out in Kentucky making a couple million a year because they found oil on their land and were able to drill.. You get 3 shots to drill on your land. It's nutty to think we'd need to import oil at all.
 

jimlloyd40

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This has to be part of it. They invested in something that would provide returns to pay for itself and eventually turn a profit. It's now no longer running and someone has to pay the piper.. or something.
The companies that were awarded government contracts to build the pipeline aren't oil companies.
They are infrastructure companies and were working on government money. So oil companies aren't raising prices for money they haven't invested. It would be the US government that would want to recover the costs of the contracts that were given out.
 

jimlloyd40

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There is no increase, because there is no reason to pull oil out of ND/MT fracking or AB tar sands. There is no oil being transported down anymore, like none. The huge rail traffic is gone, the jobs are gone. It was a boom and bust up there. We are barely extracting shit from ND/MD, and sure as hell not fracking anymore.

And I agree. We could use more money to fix our broken roads. American roads eat shit.
Yes I'm not the one who said prices would increase.
 

GTIfan99

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FL
That is partially what has caused the recent price increases. As supply is greater than demand it should come back down some. The Futures market is causing prices to spike.
No, Saudi Arabia and Russia not increasing production is what's spiking costs, not the lack of an addition pipeline from Canada.
 

GTIfan99

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Part of it. Canceling the pipeline will increase transportation costs and lead to higher prices. Combined with the "going green" gives the oil companies carte blanche to do what they want with prices. Oh, and while we're at it, let's raise the gas tax.
Nope. You're a partisan hack.
 
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cb1111

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Since there's no crude oil coming through the Keystone pipeline why would transportation costs be increased from what they are now other than inflation?

And the Federal gas tax should go up. It hasn't been increased since 1993 and the highways and bridges are being neglected.
IF we buy gas from up north and ship it by rail, then it will be more expensive than a pipeline.

Yes, our roads are awful, but the gas tax doesn't fix it.

There are two parts to the gas tax - the federal tax (about 18 cents) that goes to the highway trust fund and the state portion that goes to all sorts of places (DMV, law enforcement, public transit) including things that have nothing to do with any sort of transportation (schools for example). The state tax is far higher than the federal tax.

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The 25 billion the feds take in doesn't come close to funding roads and bridges.
 
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