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Mike@Forge

Go Kart Champion
Location
Orlando FL
Car(s)
07 BMP GTI Pkg 0
This is a teaser thread only.

Please do not ask me for a specific horsepower gains, a release date or pricing info yet.

I will, though, provide an explanation for the purpose behind an upgraded wastegate actuator and give you a bit of insight into this separate product line that we offer for a wide variety of turbocharged applications with great success.



The higher than stock base spring pressure within our replacement units allows for the wastegate flapper to be held closed tighter and for longer against the exhaust gas pressure flowing through the turbo.

With the weaker spring of the stock unit, the exhaust gas pressure can sometimes easily force the wastegate flapper open prematurely. When this occurs, the exhaust gas that is supposed to be spooling the turbo is dumped, which will slow the speed of the compressor wheel and limit the potential to build boost further.

Tightening the stock unit and adding preload to the stock actuator spring will have the same effect as our replacement, as many people are finding with wastegate tweak mods, but to a much lower degree. You're working with an altogether weaker spring to begin with. Somewhere in the neighborhood of 7-10 PSI base pressure.

We can assemble our units with any one of 3 different base spring pressure ranges stiffer than stock, so the possibility of the exhaust gas pressure prematurely opening the flapper against this higher spring pressure is minimized, if not completely eliminated.

All of the exhaust gas is then kept within the exhaust housing of the turbo and is forced to continue spooling the wheel keeping boost at it's peak potential at all times.

A boost controller, mechanical or electronic, and including the stock N75 valve will still allow you to adjust up from the base actuator spring pressure, and it will open the actuator when the target boost pressure is reached, but with the stock unit, there is still the potential for the exhaust gas pressure to prematurely force open the wastegate BEFORE the target boost is reached and the boost controller would send the signal to open the actuator.

With our unit, the boost controller will still function in the same way, sending the pressure signal to the actuator to open it fully when the target boost level is reached, but there is far less chance of the exhaust gas pressure opening the flapper before that occurs.

Depending upon which base spring pressure is used and how the units are adjusted, you may see changes like quicker spool, less tapering, and an overall increase in the area under the boost curve.

The units are piston based, which serves as a much more reliable alternative to the diaphragm based OEM units as well.

We make widely popular setups for all of the following applications:

Evo 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, and 10
Dodge Neon SRT-4
Nissan 350Z and Chevy LS Motor APS twin-turbo kits
Mazdaspeed 2.3 Liter Turbo
Subaru IHI VF-series and Mitsubishi TD-series turbochargers
Lotus 4-cylinder and V8 turbo engines
..........and many more.

The Neon SRT-4, for instance, has seen gains as much as 15 whp and 70 lb/ft of torque from simply bolting on the unit in place of the factory actuator with suitable fueling and tuning to suit (Mopar stg. 2 ECU and injectors).

Our replacement for the Evo 10 saw an increase of 50 whp as the ONLY change over the stock actuator on an OEM turbo modified with a larger compressor wheel.





We have also recently developed a pair of units for the all-new Nissan GT-R which will be released soon.

:thumbsup:





We haven't yet dynod the 2.0T unit, and gains will vary based on which base spring pressure we decide to use, how it is adjusted and what tuning is used, but we'll have more details in the coming weeks as we do some more testing.

:thumbsup:
 

xSabretoothx

Fast w/ training wheels
Location
Raleigh, NC
Car(s)
2008 GTI
Awesome! Will these require additional tuning (like the srt-4) to take advantage of this unit?
 

NJA3201

Banned
Location
201-Jerzee
Car(s)
2006 Audi A3
I am excited about this! I can't wait, keep up the good work Forge Motorsports!! :bow:
 

MasterGunnZ

The sex
Location
Florida
Car(s)
GTI
Can't wait to hear more about this.
 
Wow this sounds like a awesome new mod. Like the guy above said are you going to need different tuning with it? Or will you be able to run the basic apr/revo stage 1,2, 2+ etc files.
 

crew219

Banned
Location
ITH, NY
How exactly do you plan on making more power with this?

It seems that only if your N75 duty cycle is maxing out will there maybe be a benefit to this modification.

Given that most of the N75 values I've been seeing are in the 50s and 70s with actual boost meeting requested, there is no reason to believe that the wastegate is being forced open. If it were, then you'd see an increase in N75 duty cycle in order to keep it closed.

Dave
 

gtiiiiiiii

Driver for Hire
Location
Houston
Car(s)
MKV GTi
How exactly do you plan on making more power with this?

It seems that only if your N75 duty cycle is maxing out will there maybe be a benefit to this modification.

Given that most of the N75 values I've been seeing are in the 50s and 70s with actual boost meeting requested, there is no reason to believe that the wastegate is being forced open. If it were, then you'd see an increase in N75 duty cycle in order to keep it closed.

Dave
You obviously do not understand the power of chance my friend!
The chance is you might blow the stock wastegate's load prematurely.
So you shouldn't take a chance in not buying this. /facetious behavior
I myself will wait to see what dyno's show and then realize I don't even have a stock wastegate so I'll have to wait for a comparison with the one I do have.
 

xminusx

Banned
Location
So Cal
Car(s)
The Failboat.
You obviously do not understand the power of chance my friend!
The chance is you might blow the stock wastegate's load prematurely.
So you shouldn't take a chance in not buying this. /facetious behavior
I myself will wait to see what dyno's show and then realize I don't even have a stock wastegate so I'll have to wait for a comparison with the one I do have.

You realize you just looked the monster in the eyes right?



I want to see how much ACTUAL power this thing 'retains'.
 

crew219

Banned
Location
ITH, NY
You obviously do not understand the power of chance my friend!
The chance is you might blow the stock wastegate's load prematurely.
So you shouldn't take a chance in not buying this. /facetious behavior
I myself will wait to see what dyno's show and then realize I don't even have a stock wastegate so I'll have to wait for a comparison with the one I do have.

Hahaha

Believe in chance!

Dave
 

Mike@Forge

Go Kart Champion
Location
Orlando FL
Car(s)
07 BMP GTI Pkg 0
How exactly do you plan on making more power with this?

It seems that only if your N75 duty cycle is maxing out will there maybe be a benefit to this modification.

Given that most of the N75 values I've been seeing are in the 50s and 70s with actual boost meeting requested, there is no reason to believe that the wastegate is being forced open. If it were, then you'd see an increase in N75 duty cycle in order to keep it closed.

Dave

N75 duty cycle doesn't physically prevent the wastegate actuator from being forced open by exhaust gas pressure, which DOES occur. It only prevents the boost pressure source from opening the actuator until a predetermined boost value is met. It doesn't apply vacuum to keep the actuator in a static position preventing the flapper from opening.

Exhaust gas pressure can still momentarily force the wastegate flapper open, not fully, but to a small degree, creating essentially a small internal exhaust leak of sorts, if it exceeds the spring pressure of the actuator regardless of N75 duty cycle. The N75 valve will still send the pressure signal to open the actuator FULLY when a predetermined value is met. The higher base spring pressure of our actuator, however, will allow boost pressure to reach and maintain requested at all times if exhaust gas pressure is otherwise forcing the OEM unit open at any point.

A standalone boost controller is not required. Mechanical nor electronic. The N75 valve can still be used, but the base actuator pressure used will need to be below the peak boost output that the given ECU is tuned for.

This isn't a NEW tuning principle to any degree. It's a method that's been used for years as a performance enhancing modification. It's why OEM actuators incorporate preload adjustment and turbocharger manufacturers offer higher spring pressure units for various applications, but they're still diaphragm based, non-adjustable units with a single lower level base spring pressure.

We've innovated fully adjustable replacement actuators for dozens of applications that produce real power with great success regardless of what sort of secondary boost control is used.
 

ApexTwin

expert knob twiddler
Location
Sydney, OZ
Definitely keeping my eye on this one! :w00t:
 
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