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Old 10-04-2011, 09:59 PM   #1
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Hatch gas struts OUT after 56k???

2007 GTI 2-door DSG.

The weirdest thing just happened. I went to the grocery store to pick up a few things about 30 minutes ago. I open the hatch to put in the groceries, only to find it out it won't stay up by itself. My thinking is that the gas struts have suddenly failed, which is really weird because there have been no prior signs to indicate that they were indeed going out.

The car has been hit by a bit of light rain today, but somehow I doubt that had anything to do with it. Needless to say, it's frustrating, considering this car is just barely out of warranty. Oh, and my airbag malfunction light went on for FOURTH time (it's been in three prior times for repair for this same stinking light; but two of them were recalls) two weeks ago.

Hopefully this doesn't mark the beginning of odd component failures that have plagued my last couple of VWs. Perhaps I'm a glutton for punishment.
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Old 10-04-2011, 10:10 PM   #2
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You probably only have one of them blown.
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Old 10-04-2011, 10:20 PM   #3
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mine finally shit out at about 85k.....which reminds me i need to find some replacements...
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Old 10-04-2011, 11:15 PM   #4
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You probably only have one of them blown.
Yeah, but if that's the case, I'm not quite sure which one actually is. I guess I'll have to take it apart to find out. If just one is out, it probably won't be too long until the other fails because I'm assuming the weight distribution between the two would be identical.

So, that puts me into a quandary. Replace both with OEM at around $90 for the pair (I just checked prices online) OR get the hatch pop kit from ECS Tuning for $10 more. Seems like a no-brainer at first glance, but it's on backorder till late November and I would need to find someone with VAG-COM to code the thing.
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Old 10-04-2011, 11:17 PM   #5
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You probably only have one of them blown.
This.

Hatch will not stay open with only one working strut.

Consider the Hatch Pop Kit at ECS as an alternative when replacing; more here:

http://www.ecstuning.com/Search/Hatc...Kit/ES1895197/

Works great!
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Old 10-05-2011, 12:03 AM   #6
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Consider the Hatch Pop Kit at ECS as an alternative when replacing
I think I might go that route when get the funds. It's on backorder till late Nov, so it'll be a bit of a wait anyway. I'd also need to find someone in the Phoenix area that'll let me use his VAG-COM in exchange for beer or something.
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Old 10-05-2011, 02:13 AM   #7
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mine finally shit out at about 85k.....which reminds me i need to find some replacements...
What's interesting is that my old '97 Golf's hatch struts never failed the whole time I had it and I dumped that car at 11 years old/200k.

Bad luck, I suppose.
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Old 10-05-2011, 06:28 AM   #8
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Yea stock ones suck, I've gone through 3 sets under warranty. If you go to shows/gtg's a lot and leave your hatch open for them it will happen. Since my warranty is out now I'll be ordering the ecs kit next time.
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Old 10-05-2011, 10:29 PM   #9
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Yeah, but if that's the case, I'm not quite sure which one actually is. I guess I'll have to take it apart to find out. If just one is out, it probably won't be too long until the other fails because I'm assuming the weight distribution between the two would be identical.

So, that puts me into a quandary. Replace both with OEM at around $90 for the pair (I just checked prices online) OR get the hatch pop kit from ECS Tuning for $10 more. Seems like a no-brainer at first glance, but it's on backorder till late November and I would need to find someone with VAG-COM to code the thing.
Count your blessings it's only 90. Dealer wanted (for my '05 wrx)....wait for it.....150.....for ONE! I laughed and walked out. Forgot what I found it for, but it sure wasn't 90 for two.
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Old 10-06-2011, 12:27 AM   #10
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mine are still good and I'm at 96K and go in and out the hatch 5-7 days a week.
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Old 10-06-2011, 07:51 AM   #11
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the ECS hate pop up kit is not so great for ppl who is in cold area

it wont pop up itslef when the temp is cold...

right now in NYC the temp is around 60 and my hatch wont pop everytime.... but in the summer the hatch pop up everytime...

so cold = dont work
hot = work...
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Old 10-06-2011, 07:56 AM   #12
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Will the ECS struts work well even without installling the spring-loaded bumpers or recoding the hatch?
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Old 10-06-2011, 08:21 AM   #13
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the ECS hatch pop up kit is not so great for ppl who is in cold area

it wont always pop up itslef when the temp is cold...

so cold = dont work everytime
hot = work...
I experienced this as well. Received the kit for Xmas, installed it the next day. I too noticed when the car was cold (under 35-40 degrees) the hatch wouldn't raise when popped open without a gentle assist. If the car was warm (interior heated) it worked most of the time.
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Old 10-06-2011, 08:24 AM   #14
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Will the ECS struts work well even without installling the spring-loaded bumpers or recoding the hatch?
Yes but, you will still need to lift the rear hatch release to open. The heavy duty struts are a bit tougher to close than stock also.

You can code the hatch to pop without the kit, but you will still need to lift it. The best result is the full kit and coding
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Old 10-08-2011, 11:23 AM   #15
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Just had one fail at 52,000. I'm going the hatch pop route also.
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Old 10-08-2011, 02:25 PM   #16
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the ECS hate pop up kit is not so great for ppl who is in cold area

it wont pop up itslef when the temp is cold...

right now in NYC the temp is around 60 and my hatch wont pop everytime.... but in the summer the hatch pop up everytime...

so cold = dont work
hot = work...
They won't work in 60* temps, wow.
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Old 10-09-2011, 12:24 AM   #17
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Yea stock ones suck, I've gone through 3 sets under warranty. If you go to shows/gtg's a lot and leave your hatch open for them it will happen. Since my warranty is out now I'll be ordering the ecs kit next time.
Actually, I never leave the hatch open for extended periods of time. Bad luck for me, I suppose.

But I'm kind of curious though about the reliability of ECS's kit versus the stock struts, since it's actually using struts sourced from Skoda (another VAG company). My gut tells me the quality would be about the same.

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Well, that wouldn't be a problem for me because I live in Phoenix. Blazing hot 9 months out of the year, and rarely below 50 during the winter.
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Old 10-09-2011, 07:19 AM   #18
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But I'm kind of curious though about the reliability of ECS's kit versus the stock struts, since it's actually using struts sourced from Skoda (another VAG company). My gut tells me the quality would be about the same.
Some Parts fail, that's why there are manufacturers warranty. The part is designed/intended to last a specific period of time, the warranty is to offer replacement for The few that do not. Others last much longer than designed.

The ECS kit has a heavy duty shock with a higher load limit, that's how it is able to lift the hatch from the closed position

The hatch is heavy, and the OEM struts support it just at the lower limit, therefore the HD struts should hold up better
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Old 10-10-2011, 03:08 AM   #19
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Some Parts fail, that's why there are manufacturers warranty. The part is designed/intended to last a specific period of time, the warranty is to offer replacement for The few that do not. Others last much longer than designed.
Yeah, I understand that concept. But it's frustrating when it happens shortly after your vehicle warranty is over. But thankfully, it's not a horribly expensive fix. I just have to patiently wait until November when ECS is supposed have them back in stock...

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The hatch is heavy, and the OEM struts support it just at the lower limit, therefore the HD struts should hold up better
Good to know. Thanks!
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Old 10-10-2011, 03:26 AM   #20
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Old 10-10-2011, 04:04 AM   #21
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Thanks for the link. I just checked the site and they don't appear to stock appropriate struts for a Mk5 Golf/GTI (they go up to Mk3 cars, it looks like).
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