Stg 2 GTI vs Charger R/T, Cobra

[g60_corrado_91]

So a few days ago I saw this orange Charger R/T with the chrome 5 spoke wheels and HID's and that special paint sceme with the flat black. I think it may have had exhaust because it was pretty loud.

We didnt' do an official roll race as I was behind him, but it was fun nonetheless.

Around 50 to 120 he wasn't gaining any ground. If anything I was creeping on him very slowly.

Then we did a half-assed run after traffic moved from 40-130. He was pulling very slightly down low up to about 55-60 then I was creeping on him again. I guess he has a broader torque band but I was still amazed at what the K03 can do on top. I'm sure aerodynamics played a roll too.

I didn't get to talk to him as I turned off, but I flashed my lights. I'm sure he wasn't happy.

FWIW, I really didn't want to take it that far and I'll admit I was driving like a d'bag. And it's not a good idea to exceed the speed of your winter tires as they were sticky sounding afterwards.


More recently I came into contact with a mid 90's Cobra according to my friend who use to work at Ford. I thought it was late 90's, early 2000's, but either way, I know it had exhaust for sure.

We did a 20mph roll up to about 80 and he wasn't pulling away from me but I wasn't catching him either. He had a slight hit though. We were going to run again but I had to turn off again.

I had a full tank of gas and my 185lb friend with me. I'm not sure if he had a passenger.

[MBH]

You trap 102 and change and did that with a passenger and full tank?

[skateforgirl]

Those older Cobras come with an NA 4.6 right? Dont they trap like 100?
Good runs man

[h0ckeyfreek20]

Originally Posted by MBH

You trap 102 and change and did that with a passenger and full tank?

dont get all butt hurt just because a 10+ year old cobra didn't rape his GTI

[MBH]

Originally Posted by h0ckeyfreek20

dont get all butt hurt just because a 10+ year old cobra didn't rape his GTI

I would never would get upset over someone else's stories like that, I think it could happen. Skateforgirl is right

I just wanted to make sure I was following everything right. I'm not one of those brand loyal guys that keeps his fanboy blinders on LOL. My best trap in the 1/8th mile is right around there

[g60_corrado_91]

Originally Posted by MBH

You trap 102 and change and did that with a passenger and full tank?

No no. That was with a 1/4 tank of gas, the back seats out, and the spare tire out (~100lbs for seats and spare). With a full tank of gas, the passenger, and the back seats and spare in place I probably would've been about 99-100 trap that day.

However, that was on my old cam which I ended up getting replaced. It would hit 19psi, the dip down to 15, then up to 18, then 15, etc. Like minor fuel cuts. I felt a pretty noticeable difference after they replaced my cam. It was more linear for the first time since I was Stg 2. If I had those exact conditions and launch with the new cam, I think I would've trapped higher. I haven't been back since then.

But yeah if the Cobra's trap about 100 that sounds about right because I was right with him with the "new" cam and consistent boost. I may have had a chance with less fuel and no passenger but you can't predict what's going to happen.

[MBH]

Originally Posted by g60_corrado_91

No no. That was with a 1/4 tank of gas, the back seats out, and the spare tire out (~100lbs for seats and spare). With a full tank of gas, the passenger, and the back seats and spare in place I probably would've been about 99-100 trap that day.

However, that was on my old cam which I ended up getting replaced. It would hit 19psi, the dip down to 15, then up to 18, then 15, etc. Like minor fuel cuts. I felt a pretty noticeable difference after they replaced my cam. It was more linear for the first time since I was Stg 2. If I had those exact conditions and launch with the new cam, I think I would've trapped higher. I haven't been back since then.

But yeah if the Cobra's trap about 100 that sounds about right because I was right with him with the "new" cam and consistent boost. I may have had a chance with less fuel and no passenger but you can't predict what's going to happen.

oh ok, I had no idea you had some issues worked out, then you'd have definitely done well against that cobra (and I'm assuming the charger r/t as well, they're both very high 13-mid/low14 second cars in good conditions, which puts them right around 100mph). IIRC, a stock 05+ mustang gt is right around the same as a 96-98 cobra in terms of speed. Give a car a little over a decade and they prob won't be fresh enough to hit those times.

here are some stock mustang comparison times I googled.

1985 Ford Mustang GT 6.4 14.9 (C&D, Jan. 85)
1987 Ford Mustang GT 6.4 14.4 (Automobile, April 87)
1988 Ford Mustang GT 6.4 15.0 (MT Jan '88)
1989 Ford Mustang GT 5.0l Manual 6.2 14.8 (MT Jan '89)
1990 Ford Mustang LX 5.0 6.4 14.9
1991 Ford Mustang GT 7.3 15.6
1992 Ford Mustang LX 5.0 6.2 14.8
1993 Ford Mustang Cobra 5.9 14.5
1993 Ford Mustang GT (auto) 8.0 16.1
1994 Ford Mustang Cobra 5.4 14.0
1994 Ford Mustang GT 6.1 14.9 (C&D Dec '93)
1995 Ford Mustang 3.8 9.9 17.3
1995 Ford Mustang Cobra R 5.2 13.8
1996 Ford Mustang Cobra 5.4 14.0
1998 Ford Mustang Cobra SVT 5.4 14.0
1999 Ford Mustang Cobra SVT 5.4 13.9
1999 Ford Mustang Convertible V6 8.6 16.5
1999 Ford Mustang GT 5.5 14.1
2001 Ford Mustang Cobra SVT 4.8 13.5
2003 Ford Mustang Cobra SVT 4.5 12.4 (MM&FF)
2004 Ford Mustang Cobra SVT 4.5 12.9
2005 Ford Mustang V-6 6.9 15.3 (C&D Feb '05)
2005 Ford Mustang GT 4.6L V8 5.1 13.5 (MT Jan '05)
2005 Ford Mustang GT Convertible 5.2 13.8 (MT Apr '05)
2001 Ford Mustang Roush Stage 3 4.3 12.9
1969 Ford Mustang Mach 1 5.7 13.9
1969 Ford Mustang Mach 1 428ci 5.7 14.3 (C&D Nov '68)
2003 Ford Mustang Mach 1 (5 Speed) 4.7 13.2 (MT Feb '05)
2003 Ford Mustang Mach 1 (Auto) 5.6 13.88 (MT Apr '04)
2007 Ford Mustang Shelby GT 5.0 13.6 (MT Online)
2007 Ford Mustang Shelby GT500 Convertible 4.5 12.9 (R&T Jan '06)
2007 Ford Mustang Shelby GT-H 5.3 13.9 (C&D Nov '06)


FWIW, MM&FF took a stock 07 GT500 to 12.19. They're very hard cars to launch from what I understand (03/04 cobra is no cakewalk either). Evan Smith is a hell of a hot shoe for a couple of car magazines.

[RSC17]

nice races. there's a old cobra like that around here. thing sounds nastay. it's an older guy that drives it. real cool guy.

mbh pics of cobra or ban

[MBH]

Originally Posted by RSC17

nice races. there's a old cobra like that around here. thing sounds nastay. it's an older guy that drives it. real cool guy.

mbh pics of cobra or ban

lmao, I love that some people really like my car on here and some people just fucking hate it

thread on here: http://golfmkv.com/forums/showthread.php?t=91553
my flickr set of my cobra: http://www.flickr.com/photos/xxmbh42...7611469587768/

[joelmlmkv]

^ Your car is bad ass!!!
How much power do you put down?

[RSC17]

just plain sick. a kid i know has one with a kenne bell on it. ooooo wee.

[MBH]

Originally Posted by joelmlmkv

^ Your car is bad ass!!!
How much power do you put down?

thanks man! should still be north of 5xx rwhp, made some changes & I need to get back onto the dyno before I actually quote a number

Originally Posted by RSC17

just plain sick. a kid i know has one with a kenne bell on it. ooooo wee.

Yeah, those things scream!! Couple of friends have twin screws on their 03/04s and those things just rape. I can give them a damn good run for their money if I out drive them, but they definitely have the faster cars

[RSC17]

i'd rock it.

[g60_corrado_91]

Originally Posted by MBH

oh ok, I had no idea you had some issues worked out, then you'd have definitely done well against that cobra (and I'm assuming the charger r/t as well, they're both very high 13-mid/low14 second cars in good conditions, which puts them right around 100mph). IIRC, a stock 05+ mustang gt is right around the same as a 96-98 cobra in terms of speed. Give a car a little over a decade and they prob won't be fresh enough to hit those times.

1999 Ford Mustang Cobra SVT 5.4 13.9
2005 Ford Mustang GT 4.6L V8 5.1 13.5 (MT Jan '05)

Well, just for the sake of since I don't know exactly what year it was, I'm going to say it was a '99 just because that's the fastest time you have posted out of all of those. That's right where I'm at essentially but with less weight. With less gas or no passenger, I think I would've caught him; maybe even from a roll with the passenger.

But anyhow, I left the 05 run in your quote because I've ran 05+ Mustang GT's and pulled about a car and a half from ~35-75. However, that was an automatic GT coupe, but the guy initiated the race and was pretty pissed off when I reeled him in (he had the hit). I wasn't driving my car at the time, but when they replaced the camshaft, the service manager took it home to make sure everything was fine (the roller rocker had to be replaced after cam because it was clicking, so they wanted to make sure it was fine the second time around). Anyhow, I know the manager on a first name basis as he's part of our VW club and he was telling me my car took a 5 speed 05+ GT coupe from a highway roll. I tend to believe him based on me running that automatic one and pulling on him decently. It seems Motor Trend had a fast GT or I have yet to come across one because if they run 13.5's all day long then I should be losing by a fair amount. I've even seen 5MT 05+ GT's at the dragstrip that aren't breaking into the 13's. They're running low 14's which is typically what I run but I trapped higher IIRC. I have only done 3 13 second passes in my car.

As far as the Charger, it definitely holds its own for the weight. Like I said, he had me down low but I was catching him up top. I've run a Magnum R/T with gauges with a friend in the passenger seat and I pulled 1/2 a car on him. The only Charger R/T I did lose to was in the same area that I ran the auto GT and it was from about 10-55mph at that time. But I think he was modded or something because that orange one I just ran wasn't pulling on me like that.

At any rate, it's all in fun and I'm not the one to sell my car if I lose to a car. I respect other people's cars whether they're faster or slower than mine.

On that note, you've got a badass Cobra.

[MBH]

thanks dude! yeah, 13.5 is a little optimistic for the 05 IMO... And a lot of people that can't drive for crap buy mustangs and think they're the fastest shit on the road, even though they can't put them into the 13s LOL. Plus, some tracks are faster than others so if I'm comparing times from a fast track with good prep, and you're at a track with poop prep then you'd rock the socks off one in equal conditions. The 05+ should trap right about 100-102 with a good driver/track iirc.

The second charger might have been an SRT8? Those things move pretty damn well. That's like a 13 flat-ish car? the long gears on those cars suck, not sure why they put such a lazy transmission in them...

and I'm with ya man, its all about having fun with it and enjoying what you have and respecting what other enthusiasts are doing too. I love the dub scene, regardless of how fast they are

[g60_corrado_91]

Yeah I Love the reaction of guys driving GT's when they lose to my car. They get upset real quick. But I know hey can be made very quick and they sound awesome. I'm more of a Camaro guy myself if I was to own a pony car, unless it was an 03/04 Cobra.

And no, it wasn't an SRT-8. Even if they do have tall gearing that would've pulled really hard. I would think with STG2+ (HPFP, FMIC, W/M) as well as a new Stg 2/3 single mass flywheel clutch I'd hang with them better but I'd still be
lucky to be at 310 crank hp. I'm guessing I'm somewhere near 270 crank hp now.

[Raven6t9]

Nice Corrado! I raced an STR8 Charger with exhaust and no passengers, and I had a passenger, full tank and no traction (thanks to vw wanting to give a decnetly fast turbo'd car fwd. ) Anyway, I got raped, it was a bad run, but I dont think a good run would change too much of it.

Edit: I told the driver that next time we raced, he'd have to unplug 4 of his spark plugs. lmao.

[sloMk5]

I pulled on a SRT8 Challenger on the street, and was beating one's numbers at the strip although I never got the chance to line up with him. Not sure how they stack up with the Chargers, but I destroyed a R/T Charger alteast 5 times at the strip, even when he would leave way before me I would walk him on the back half.

[g60_corrado_91]

Originally Posted by Raven6t9

Nice Corrado! I raced an STR8 Charger with exhaust and no passengers, and I had a passenger, full tank and no traction (thanks to vw wanting to give a decnetly fast turbo'd car fwd. ) Anyway, I got raped, it was a bad run, but I dont think a good run would change too much of it.

Edit: I told the driver that next time we raced, he'd have to unplug 4 of his spark plugs. lmao.

Yeah the SRT-8's are pretty quick. I haven't come into contact with one yet but I have run my friends 05 CTS-V win the 400hp LS6 and I actually held decently in 2nd gear and by 3rd he started pulling on me. I'd say 1.5 cars up to 70 or 80. A full bolt-on 2.0T would probably hang pretty well with a stock one but obviously the SBC is very tuneable.