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GTi_2NR · 11-06-2009, 10:00 PM

Hey all, so i have an 07 GTI and i saw a website that offered a STAGE 3 SURGE Adjustable Performance Chip w/02 Sensor Control.

"STAGE 3 Surge/O2 Chip is a fully adjustable, programmed performance control unit designed for all vehicle fitted with ECU, simply wires inline with the factory harness of the IAT (Intake Air Temperature) sensor and into the plug of Oxygen sensor(s) in the exhaust. You will receive crisp acceleration, much more horsepower and torque, lower quarter mile times and surprisingly increased throttle response. Installation is easy, no - special tools or expertise required. Gain +15-40 additional HP, and extremely dynamic acceleration by up to 30 % in contrast to factory engine performance. It works in conjunction with stock ECU and will not affect engine reliability or endurance. Original ECU program is in process, but the signal of STAGE 3 is overwriting it in each microsecond resulting richer air/fuel ratio, accordingly delivering peak horsepower, torque and acceleration."

That comes directly from the website. My current upgrades are only a NEUSPEED Intake and a FORGE BOV (engine wise).

Does anyone foresee any problems that might arise by upgrading directly to a stage 3 Performance chip?

What other possible changes would i need to make as a result of this upgrade?

Any help, tips, or advice you guys have would be awesome..thanks

utekineir · 11-06-2009, 10:03 PM

This modification will not work properly without flame stickers.

ObeyMyFast! · 11-06-2009, 10:16 PM

Lol... thats worse than stage 1...

The Fed · 11-06-2009, 10:26 PM

So I sounds like it fools the IAT into thinking the air is cold, so it adds fuel, AND fools the O2 sensors into thinking it's running too lean to add fuel? What will that do for you, run the ECU in open loop? Won't that trip the MIL after a few minutes? So you get a little more power, and won't pass an emissions test.

GTi_2NR · 11-06-2009, 10:47 PM

well this is what it also says on there but i dont know of anyone that has this performance chip in their car..

Chips are not uniform and are sorted into several categories according to some operating factors as resistance range of IAT sensor and volt range of O2 sensor, etc..
FEATURES OF SURGE STAGE 3 PERFORMANCE CONTROL CHIP MODULE:

•Improves engine output by up to 20%.
•Enhances Nm, throttle response, acceleration and torque in the full RPM range.
•Performance level setting from 0 - 100 %.
•You can set the preferred higher air/fule ratio than the stoichiometric fuel mix.
•Unit is not a simple resistor.
•INTEGRATED O2 - OXYGEN SENSOR SIGNAL CONTROL to avoid undesired snubbing of ECU
•Pushes up acceleration and dynamism by up to 30 %.
•Results higher top speed.
•Long duration - 10 years warranty.
•Easy universal 20 minutes installation.
•Immediate effect even during driving, no ECU learning period.
•Reduces flat spots or delay time when you mash down the throttle.
•It does not affect engine endurance.
•Bright red light design

OPERATION OF STAGE 3
STAGE 3 CHIP/O2 Combo will supply modified signals to your vehicle's ECU. The ECU then adjusts air/fuel ratio and secondarily timing advance curves to new performance settings, in addition this upgrade does have an absolutely outstanding O2 sensor control circuit integrated in the unit.
This control panel helps to prevent and stop undesired snubbig of the ECU.

Why should ECU regulate air/fuel ratio if we have tricked the signals already by the IAT sensor?

The answer is simple, ECU is calculating the air/fuel ratio also per other sensors' signal, and the last and most important respected control step is the oxygen content in the exhaust pipe. If O2 sensor informs the ECU that emission is too high HP-gain will be limited.
Our evaluation does not let the Oxygens Sensor delivering fuel rich signal accordingly ECU will not restrict the injection of more fuel.

There is no risk of any damage to the engine or electrical parts since the modified sensor signal will always remain within the manufacturer's recommended specifications. The unit works in conjunction with your vehicles ECU and will not affect engine reliability. This worldwide unique Performance Chip Module can even quickly be switched, removed or re-installed at any time.

Comparison

STAGE 1 Surge is great product for intial horsepower gains. STAGE 2 O2 addes additional HP benifits gained from the Oxygen sensors under your vehicle. The STAGE 3 takes the benifit of both and combines it in a single device with even better control and HP gains.

Settings

When the module does not receive +/- 12V (led does not illuminate), unit is in factory mode.

After feeding 12V, you can adjust fuel injection with the help of a simple potentiometer. Shipped chips are adjusted to factory mode, turn the potentiometer screw clockwise to gain more power.

PRND[S] · 11-06-2009, 10:55 PM

IMHO, you're much better off just getting a Stage 1 flash from any of the reputable vendors.

Sourkraut · 11-06-2009, 10:55 PM

How about posting the website?

I've never heard of "Surge" before... it sounds like a gimick to me.

OP, what are you trying to get out of your car, whp wise? Why not just get a standard APR, REVO, GIAC or Unitronic stage 1 tune? They are all a far more reputable company, at least in my experience trolling MKV forums over the last year.

This Surge Stage 3 isn't the standard stage 3 setup that everyone else on this forum is used to discussing... unless I'm missing something huge

brekdown29 · 11-06-2009, 10:57 PM

seriously? do some research.

GTi_2NR · 11-06-2009, 11:05 PM

the website is streetbeatcustoms.com.

Basically im looking for a mod to give it 10+ horsepower and get the best bang for my buck without breaking my budget or having to do any extra modifications.

i looked into getting my car flashed and heard after a while problems start to arise and because the car is turboed already so im not sure thats a route i want to take ...

dave80 · 11-06-2009, 11:22 PM

get this:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2N1-P...Q5fAccessories

dave80 · 11-06-2009, 11:25 PM

Op please search these (apr,revo,giac).

GTi_2NR · 11-06-2009, 11:27 PM

dude do you have this on yours?

Seriouschris · 11-06-2009, 11:27 PM

Good lord, man don't cheap out on this.
Avoid putting this crap in your car at all costs.

Do yourself a huge favor and get a reputable software flash (like suggested already). It's at most twice the money and 100% fewer possible headaches. If $500 to $600 to do it RIGHT and SAFELY is too much for your budget, wait and save until it isn't.

Do some searching about flashes/chips.
I use GIAC, personally, though all of the big names are very good.

dave80 · 11-06-2009, 11:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GTi_2NR

dude do you have this on yours?

hell no. Stay away from that crap.

PornKing · 11-07-2009, 01:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GTi_2NR

the website is streetbeatcustoms.com.

Basically im looking for a mod to give it 10+ horsepower and get the best bang for my buck without breaking my budget or having to do any extra modifications.

i looked into getting my car flashed and heard after a while problems start to arise and because the car is turboed already so im not sure thats a route i want to take ...

If you remove spare tire and keep your gas tank filled no more than 50% you will get weight reduction equal to gaining that 10 horsepower's you want and its free

utekineir · 11-07-2009, 06:45 AM

i like this troll

*GTI2007* · 11-07-2009, 06:57 AM

Moved.

redGTI · 11-07-2009, 08:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GTi_2NR

the website is streetbeatcustoms.com.

Basically im looking for a mod to give it 10+ horsepower and get the best bang for my buck without breaking my budget or having to do any extra modifications.

i looked into getting my car flashed and heard after a while problems start to arise and because the car is turboed already so im not sure thats a route i want to take ...

hmm, OP is in Phoenix, given website is a company in Phoenix....

Is OP an agent of this company?

If not save us and yourself the trouble and go see BSH!

btekk · 11-07-2009, 10:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dave80

get this:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2N1-P...Q5fAccessories

HOLY SHIT! im gonna buy 4 of those and burn fucking ferraris! thanks man!!!!!!

The Fed · 11-07-2009, 11:17 AM

There's no f-ing way it will increase your top speed, so right here it's crap. But hey, OP, I think you should buy it and let us know how you like it.

PyRo H4cKeR · 11-07-2009, 11:20 AM

vrsix kevin · 11-07-2009, 12:33 PM

this is the dumbest thing ive herad, the med9 ecu has so many fail safes that simply controlling 2 sensors isnt going to do anything except make your ecu hate you

11-06-2009, 10:00 PM	#1
GTi_2NR Ready to race! Drives: 2007 GTI Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 15	Stage lll Surge Performance Chip? Hey all, so i have an 07 GTI and i saw a website that offered a STAGE 3 SURGE Adjustable Performance Chip w/02 Sensor Control. "STAGE 3 Surge/O2 Chip is a fully adjustable, programmed performance control unit designed for all vehicle fitted with ECU, simply wires inline with the factory harness of the IAT (Intake Air Temperature) sensor and into the plug of Oxygen sensor(s) in the exhaust. You will receive crisp acceleration, much more horsepower and torque, lower quarter mile times and surprisingly increased throttle response. Installation is easy, no - special tools or expertise required. Gain +15-40 additional HP, and extremely dynamic acceleration by up to 30 % in contrast to factory engine performance. It works in conjunction with stock ECU and will not affect engine reliability or endurance. Original ECU program is in process, but the signal of STAGE 3 is overwriting it in each microsecond resulting richer air/fuel ratio, accordingly delivering peak horsepower, torque and acceleration." That comes directly from the website. My current upgrades are only a NEUSPEED Intake and a FORGE BOV (engine wise). Does anyone foresee any problems that might arise by upgrading directly to a stage 3 Performance chip? What other possible changes would i need to make as a result of this upgrade? Any help, tips, or advice you guys have would be awesome..thanks

11-06-2009, 10:03 PM	#2
utekineir Powerful like a Gorilla Drives: 1 LezWagon 1 Treehuger wagon Join Date: May 2008 Location: central ma Posts: 6,664	This modification will not work properly without flame stickers. __________________ ---- One of 40,000+ winners in the extend my dsg warranty sweepstakes.

11-06-2009, 10:16 PM	#3
ObeyMyFast! ^Who I am...What I say-> Drives: '09 Black Magic Four-Door GTI Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: San Diego Posts: 3,325	Lol... thats worse than stage 1... __________________

11-06-2009, 10:55 PM	#7
Sourkraut FIA World Rally Car Champion Drives: 08' VW GTI Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: CT Posts: 623	How about posting the website? I've never heard of "Surge" before... it sounds like a gimick to me. OP, what are you trying to get out of your car, whp wise? Why not just get a standard APR, REVO, GIAC or Unitronic stage 1 tune? They are all a far more reputable company, at least in my experience trolling MKV forums over the last year. This Surge Stage 3 isn't the standard stage 3 setup that everyone else on this forum is used to discussing... unless I'm missing something huge __________________ 2008 Black Magic GTI - CBFA TSI Engine http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzI5lgolCzk www.cteurospec.net

11-06-2009, 10:57 PM	#8
brekdown29 J-O-O Drives: grey gli Join Date: May 2007 Location: Phoenix Posts: 2,393 View brekdown29's Garage	seriously? do some research. __________________ Maxed out tiny turbo

11-06-2009, 10:26 PM	#4
The Fed Old Guys Rule Drives: 2007 GTI DSG APR93 Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Tampa Bay Posts: 2,494	So I sounds like it fools the IAT into thinking the air is cold, so it adds fuel, AND fools the O2 sensors into thinking it's running too lean to add fuel? What will that do for you, run the ECU in open loop? Won't that trip the MIL after a few minutes? So you get a little more power, and won't pass an emissions test.

11-06-2009, 10:47 PM	#5
GTi_2NR Ready to race! Drives: 2007 GTI Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 15	well this is what it also says on there but i dont know of anyone that has this performance chip in their car.. Chips are not uniform and are sorted into several categories according to some operating factors as resistance range of IAT sensor and volt range of O2 sensor, etc.. FEATURES OF SURGE STAGE 3 PERFORMANCE CONTROL CHIP MODULE: •Improves engine output by up to 20%. •Enhances Nm, throttle response, acceleration and torque in the full RPM range. •Performance level setting from 0 - 100 %. •You can set the preferred higher air/fule ratio than the stoichiometric fuel mix. •Unit is not a simple resistor. •INTEGRATED O2 - OXYGEN SENSOR SIGNAL CONTROL to avoid undesired snubbing of ECU •Pushes up acceleration and dynamism by up to 30 %. •Results higher top speed. •Long duration - 10 years warranty. •Easy universal 20 minutes installation. •Immediate effect even during driving, no ECU learning period. •Reduces flat spots or delay time when you mash down the throttle. •It does not affect engine endurance. •Bright red light design OPERATION OF STAGE 3 STAGE 3 CHIP/O2 Combo will supply modified signals to your vehicle's ECU. The ECU then adjusts air/fuel ratio and secondarily timing advance curves to new performance settings, in addition this upgrade does have an absolutely outstanding O2 sensor control circuit integrated in the unit. This control panel helps to prevent and stop undesired snubbig of the ECU. Why should ECU regulate air/fuel ratio if we have tricked the signals already by the IAT sensor? The answer is simple, ECU is calculating the air/fuel ratio also per other sensors' signal, and the last and most important respected control step is the oxygen content in the exhaust pipe. If O2 sensor informs the ECU that emission is too high HP-gain will be limited. Our evaluation does not let the Oxygens Sensor delivering fuel rich signal accordingly ECU will not restrict the injection of more fuel. There is no risk of any damage to the engine or electrical parts since the modified sensor signal will always remain within the manufacturer's recommended specifications. The unit works in conjunction with your vehicles ECU and will not affect engine reliability. This worldwide unique Performance Chip Module can even quickly be switched, removed or re-installed at any time. Comparison STAGE 1 Surge is great product for intial horsepower gains. STAGE 2 O2 addes additional HP benifits gained from the Oxygen sensors under your vehicle. The STAGE 3 takes the benifit of both and combines it in a single device with even better control and HP gains. Settings When the module does not receive +/- 12V (led does not illuminate), unit is in factory mode. After feeding 12V, you can adjust fuel injection with the help of a simple potentiometer. Shipped chips are adjusted to factory mode, turn the potentiometer screw clockwise to gain more power.

11-06-2009, 10:55 PM	#6
PRND[S] The Lame & The Ludicrous Drives: 09 CW GTI, DSG, APR Stg 3 Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Southern California Posts: 874	IMHO, you're much better off just getting a Stage 1 flash from any of the reputable vendors.

11-06-2009, 11:05 PM	#9
GTi_2NR Ready to race! Drives: 2007 GTI Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 15	the website is streetbeatcustoms.com. Basically im looking for a mod to give it 10+ horsepower and get the best bang for my buck without breaking my budget or having to do any extra modifications. i looked into getting my car flashed and heard after a while problems start to arise and because the car is turboed already so im not sure thats a route i want to take ...

11-06-2009, 11:22 PM	#10
dave80 FIA World Rally Car Champion Drives: 09 GTI UG DSG Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Chicago Posts: 517	get this: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2N1-P...Q5fAccessories __________________ Apr Stage 2, Carbonio, Billy Boat DP, Cim Boost Gauge, Bsh engine and trans. mount, Bsh catch can, Bfi insert.

11-06-2009, 11:25 PM	#11
dave80 FIA World Rally Car Champion Drives: 09 GTI UG DSG Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Chicago Posts: 517	Op please search these (apr,revo,giac). __________________ Apr Stage 2, Carbonio, Billy Boat DP, Cim Boost Gauge, Bsh engine and trans. mount, Bsh catch can, Bfi insert.

11-06-2009, 11:27 PM	#12
GTi_2NR Ready to race! Drives: 2007 GTI Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 15	dude do you have this on yours?

11-07-2009, 06:45 AM	#16
utekineir Powerful like a Gorilla Drives: 1 LezWagon 1 Treehuger wagon Join Date: May 2008 Location: central ma Posts: 6,664	i like this troll __________________ ---- One of 40,000+ winners in the extend my dsg warranty sweepstakes.

11-07-2009, 06:57 AM	#17
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11-07-2009, 11:17 AM	#20
The Fed Old Guys Rule Drives: 2007 GTI DSG APR93 Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Tampa Bay Posts: 2,494	There's no f-ing way it will increase your top speed, so right here it's crap. But hey, OP, I think you should buy it and let us know how you like it.

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11-07-2009, 12:33 PM	#22
vrsix kevin FIA GT Champion Drives: ug 2.0t dsg pkg 2 Join Date: May 2007 Location: seattle Posts: 1,185	this is the dumbest thing ive herad, the med9 ecu has so many fail safes that simply controlling 2 sensors isnt going to do anything except make your ecu hate you __________________ Forge DV Spike Reduction Kits and check valves