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beauy46 · 10-18-2009, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by sloMk5

Nice man I thought you did 14.5 for some reason..that's what I get for pulling it off the top of my head. That's pretty good for that day though imo. Anyone who was at eurowarz knows what I'm talking about

If you can get another 2.1 I think you'd be deep into the 13's with stage 2 and decent weather. BTW I fixed your tags so I could see the time lol.

Thanks for the fix

LOL DAM IPHONE

Yeah that day was HOT....So I am hoping for 70's or cooler for Fixx and should be able to break into the 13's

snobrdrdan · 10-22-2009, 04:42 AM

What do you guys recommend for shift points? (6 speed manual)

5,500 RPM?

Gründ Fliegen · 10-24-2009, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by snobrdrdan

What do you guys recommend for shift points? (6 speed manual)

5,500 RPM?

yeah, i'd like to know this as well. I'm thinking somewhere between 5500 and 6000

Moses · 10-24-2009, 12:58 PM

it's unbelievable i can't remember my shift points, the whole time i drag race i just stare at the tac!
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but yeah i'd try 6000 in 1st, 5800 in 2nd, and 5600 in 3rd.

snobrdrdan · 10-26-2009, 02:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Moses

it's unbelievable i can't remember my shift points, the whole time i drag race i just stare at the tac!
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but yeah i'd try 6000 in 1st, 5800 in 2nd, and 5600 in 3rd.

Actually, it's like I black out when I'm at the track....I just drive/race and then it's over, LOL. Everything happens so damn fast

I'll have to try that next year & see what role that plays....would be nice to have a shift light, but I'm not gonna add one

UberJAY · 10-26-2009, 03:18 AM

i dont get it either. i did 14.2 but my boy with the same exact setup did high 13 with like a 103 trap if i remember correctly.

it drove me nuts. and on my last run my clutch slipped hard through like all 4 gears and i ran like a 25.8 @ 51MPH

snobrdrdan · 10-26-2009, 03:38 AM

It's all on the driver & the track/conditions

UberJAY · 10-26-2009, 03:43 AM

it was about 15-20 degrees cooler ont he day i went than his.. and same track.

snobrdrdan · 10-26-2009, 04:06 AM

I ran a 14.1 & a 13.9 last Wednesday when it was sunny & like 70 degrees

It cooled off to 54 degrees about 4 hours later & couldn't get traction, and ran a 14.4

Helps if the track is hot/warm (for traction)

rippie74 · 10-28-2009, 04:49 PM

Yea I went 14.20 @ 99.53mph with Stage 1 & a Neuspeed CAI on factory 18" huffs dropped to 30psi. I was hitting 2.2 60'ft's. Practice that shifting & get the 42DD & FFE Bushings, together they make a world of difference.

snobrdrdan · 10-28-2009, 11:32 PM

^^^
That a DSG?

rippie74 · 11-01-2009, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by snobrdrdan

^^^
That a DSG?

DSG? Nope... 6-Speed Manual.

snobrdrdan · 11-02-2009, 04:17 AM

Really?

That's a low trap speed for a manual then. The DSG's usually trap that speed

POLARBEAR666 · 11-02-2009, 04:56 AM

You need more cowbell. Problem solved.

Try loading up the gearbox rather than dumping the clutch. Eg handbrake up... ease clutch out and apply throttle so that car wants to creep forwards.. as yelllows drop rev it upppp and drop the hand brake. Lots of fast cars get much faster times whe they ease off the line with controlled wheelspin rather than a balls out launch that could possibly get a faster time but almost never hooks up right.

If it was 4wd turbo I would advise the "REV TO 6k and drop it like its hot" method... this is fastest but is savage on your driveline if you have a solid clutch.

snobrdrdan · 11-03-2009, 02:48 AM

Throwing the hand brake into the equation (for a beginner) seems like it's gonna be trickier, lol

POLARBEAR666 · 11-03-2009, 03:42 AM

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Originally Posted by snobrdrdan

Throwing the hand brake into the equation (for a beginner) seems like it's gonna be trickier, lol

Hand brake makes it easier and I'll explain why. Firstly it lets you stage and keep the car totally still, rather than turning the yellow staging lights on and off by slight movement.

Once staged you have hand brake up and you also have feet in the position they will be at when you go. Clutch and Gas. Now there is no need to move your foot from the brake to the gas.

Also by loading up the gearbox it causes the drivetrain gear faces to meet. This reduces shock and is much kinder. Because you are loading up the gearbox all the gears and parts move slightly and touch each other... In the same way that a punch causes more shock and damage than pushing someone from a position where your hand is touching them already.

So in summary:
1. handbrake helps you stage the lights and stay still
2. it allows your feet to be in the final position.
3. it allows you to load up the gearbox which engages the drivetrain, reducing shock and also removes any "drivetrain lag" as things engage.
4. You get better feel of the clutch point and you can control your launch revs easier.
5. clutch gets less shock and is more likely to grip rather than slip heaps and then grip.
6. You can practice this technique without moving. Just engage hand brake and play with the feeling of loading up the clutch slightly so that car is "leaning" on the brake.
7 To launch just drop brake as you floor it and release clutch at same time... so its basically your right foot goes flat while your other leg and hand disengage what they are doing.

snobrdrdan · 11-03-2009, 03:51 AM

Hmmm...does make sense!

I guess it just sounds weird (to me) to have your hand on the e-brake instead of the shifter when launching, lol

Dynjo · 11-03-2009, 10:09 AM

One thing that I found helpful was to use a hose clamp on the e-brake handle to hold a small strap over the brake release button. The strap holds the button down so you don't have to concentrate on holding it in with your thumb.

It's kind of embarassing to launch with the e-brake on.

Also useful in ice races when you want to do a handbrake turn like the rally guys do.

rippie74 · 11-03-2009, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by snobrdrdan

Really?

That's a low trap speed for a manual then. The DSG's usually trap that speed

Low? it was a 1/2 mph short of 100mph

I was Stage I @ the time.

snobrdrdan · 11-07-2009, 05:19 AM

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Originally Posted by rippie74

Low? it was a 1/2 mph short of 100mph

I was Stage I @ the time.

I was in the 103mph range when I was Stage 1

rippie74 · 11-10-2009, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by snobrdrdan

I was in the 103mph range when I was Stage 1

So now you're APR Stage II & you lost about 2mph? (13.932 @ 101.79) I don't think so...

snobrdrdan · 11-11-2009, 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by rippie74

So now you're APR Stage II & you lost about 2mph? (13.932 @ 101.79) I don't think so...

Umm yeah....

Stage 1 (same day in May this year): 14.382@102.67, 14.451@101.57, 14.416@102.99, 14.324@102.45, 14.680@101.52

Stage 2 (same day last month): 14.165@102.25, 13.932@101.79, 14.465@101.11

Inconsistent as hell though

10-22-2009, 04:42 AM	#24
snobrdrdan a MKVI TSI guy Drives: 2010 GTI Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Southeast Michigan Posts: 2,597	What do you guys recommend for shift points? (6 speed manual) 5,500 RPM? __________________ 2010 CSG GTI APR Stage 2+, ATP 3" Downpipe, Carbonio Intake, Neuspeed TDP, Eibach Pro-Kit, H&R 24mm RSB, Tiguan Pipe, "D" Diverter Valve, ESE Painted Sidemarkers, AWE Boost Gauge, Euro Switch, Tinted, Debadged

10-26-2009, 03:38 AM	#29
snobrdrdan a MKVI TSI guy Drives: 2010 GTI Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Southeast Michigan Posts: 2,597	It's all on the driver & the track/conditions __________________ 2010 CSG GTI APR Stage 2+, ATP 3" Downpipe, Carbonio Intake, Neuspeed TDP, Eibach Pro-Kit, H&R 24mm RSB, Tiguan Pipe, "D" Diverter Valve, ESE Painted Sidemarkers, AWE Boost Gauge, Euro Switch, Tinted, Debadged

10-26-2009, 04:06 AM	#31
snobrdrdan a MKVI TSI guy Drives: 2010 GTI Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Southeast Michigan Posts: 2,597	I ran a 14.1 & a 13.9 last Wednesday when it was sunny & like 70 degrees It cooled off to 54 degrees about 4 hours later & couldn't get traction, and ran a 14.4 Helps if the track is hot/warm (for traction) __________________ 2010 CSG GTI APR Stage 2+, ATP 3" Downpipe, Carbonio Intake, Neuspeed TDP, Eibach Pro-Kit, H&R 24mm RSB, Tiguan Pipe, "D" Diverter Valve, ESE Painted Sidemarkers, AWE Boost Gauge, Euro Switch, Tinted, Debadged

10-28-2009, 04:49 PM	#32
rippie74 FIA World Rally Car Champion Drives: 2008 MKV GTI Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: NJ Posts: 520 View rippie74's Garage	Yea I went 14.20 @ 99.53mph with Stage 1 & a Neuspeed CAI on factory 18" huffs dropped to 30psi. I was hitting 2.2 60'ft's. Practice that shifting & get the 42DD & FFE Bushings, together they make a world of difference. __________________ 42 DD / APR / ATP / AutoTech / AWE / BFI / BSH / EuroJet / ForceFed / Motul / Neuspeed / NGK / PIAA / REVO / RSW / SouthBend / VCDS Elwood: Oh no... Jake: What the ** was that? Elwood: The motor... We've thrown a rod. Jake: Is that serious? Elwood:** Yup.

10-28-2009, 11:32 PM	#33
snobrdrdan a MKVI TSI guy Drives: 2010 GTI Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Southeast Michigan Posts: 2,597	^^^ That a DSG? __________________ 2010 CSG GTI APR Stage 2+, ATP 3" Downpipe, Carbonio Intake, Neuspeed TDP, Eibach Pro-Kit, H&R 24mm RSB, Tiguan Pipe, "D" Diverter Valve, ESE Painted Sidemarkers, AWE Boost Gauge, Euro Switch, Tinted, Debadged

10-24-2009, 12:58 PM	#26
Moses Formula 5000 Champion Drives: 2007 Volkswagen GTI Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: New England Posts: 2,287	it's unbelievable i can't remember my shift points, the whole time i drag race i just stare at the tac! ' but yeah i'd try 6000 in 1st, 5800 in 2nd, and 5600 in 3rd.

11-02-2009, 04:17 AM	#35
snobrdrdan a MKVI TSI guy Drives: 2010 GTI Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Southeast Michigan Posts: 2,597	Really? That's a low trap speed for a manual then. The DSG's usually trap that speed __________________ 2010 CSG GTI APR Stage 2+, ATP 3" Downpipe, Carbonio Intake, Neuspeed TDP, Eibach Pro-Kit, H&R 24mm RSB, Tiguan Pipe, "D" Diverter Valve, ESE Painted Sidemarkers, AWE Boost Gauge, Euro Switch, Tinted, Debadged

11-02-2009, 04:56 AM	#36
POLARBEAR666 FIA GT Champion Drives: Golf GT TSI Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Australia Posts: 921	You need more cowbell. Problem solved. Try loading up the gearbox rather than dumping the clutch. Eg handbrake up... ease clutch out and apply throttle so that car wants to creep forwards.. as yelllows drop rev it upppp and drop the hand brake. Lots of fast cars get much faster times whe they ease off the line with controlled wheelspin rather than a balls out launch that could possibly get a faster time but almost never hooks up right. If it was 4wd turbo I would advise the "REV TO 6k and drop it like its hot" method... this is fastest but is savage on your driveline if you have a solid clutch. __________________ Disclaimer: nothing I say should be relied upon // Click the links for pictures* Dynolicious 6.89 to 100kph 0.8g max 143kw// KW V1 Coilovers// Custom Intake// Deleted Muffler// Deka ETX18L battery 8.2kg 720CCA// Weight Reduction ~50kg

11-03-2009, 02:48 AM	#37
snobrdrdan a MKVI TSI guy Drives: 2010 GTI Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Southeast Michigan Posts: 2,597	Throwing the hand brake into the equation (for a beginner) seems like it's gonna be trickier, lol __________________ 2010 CSG GTI APR Stage 2+, ATP 3" Downpipe, Carbonio Intake, Neuspeed TDP, Eibach Pro-Kit, H&R 24mm RSB, Tiguan Pipe, "D" Diverter Valve, ESE Painted Sidemarkers, AWE Boost Gauge, Euro Switch, Tinted, Debadged

11-03-2009, 03:51 AM	#39
snobrdrdan a MKVI TSI guy Drives: 2010 GTI Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Southeast Michigan Posts: 2,597	Hmmm...does make sense! I guess it just sounds weird (to me) to have your hand on the e-brake instead of the shifter when launching, lol __________________ 2010 CSG GTI APR Stage 2+, ATP 3" Downpipe, Carbonio Intake, Neuspeed TDP, Eibach Pro-Kit, H&R 24mm RSB, Tiguan Pipe, "D" Diverter Valve, ESE Painted Sidemarkers, AWE Boost Gauge, Euro Switch, Tinted, Debadged

11-03-2009, 10:09 AM	#40
Dynjo Rally Car Champion Drives: '07 Candy White GTI DSG Join Date: May 2008 Location: Chicagoland Posts: 336	One thing that I found helpful was to use a hose clamp on the e-brake handle to hold a small strap over the brake release button. The strap holds the button down so you don't have to concentrate on holding it in with your thumb. It's kind of embarassing to launch with the e-brake on. Also useful in ice races when you want to do a handbrake turn like the rally guys do. __________________ *Dynjo* Dyno, with a typo!

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