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funny

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XXX-1.8T said:
but where does it say in the ADR's you need self levelling and washer systems?
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The same ADR has references to levelling requirements. I've already quoted the washer bit - pretty obvious that Xenons (at least factory bi-xenons) will give you 3x light output in comparison to halogen, so it falls into the category needing washers.

After a quick scan thru the ADR to ifnd the washer bit I do remember some referencing to either having manual level adjustments or self levelling, either being ok as long as the steup is compliant with the ADR.

And do cops quote ADR's or do they quote roads and traffic laws?[/QUOTE]

They quote both.
ADR = levelling, washers, cutoff shape, cutoff definition, etc.
Road rules = no glare to oncoming drivers.

Obviously the cop would need to be familiar with the ADR to be able to cite compliance or not at the roadside. Then again, if the car gets pulled off the road and gets independently checked, you might find the car defected for failing to comply with ADRs.
 
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gregozedobe

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davidl351 said:
i hope i'll be in compliance if i purchase OEM GTI headlights for my rabbit, huh?
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Depends on the regulations where you live - US may be quite different to Australia's :wink:
 
DeanCorp

DeanCorp

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Melbourne
funny said:
The same ADR has references to levelling requirements. I've already quoted the washer bit - pretty obvious that Xenons (at least factory bi-xenons) will give you 3x light output in comparison to halogen, so it falls into the category needing washers.

After a quick scan thru the ADR to ifnd the washer bit I do remember some referencing to either having manual level adjustments or self levelling, either being ok as long as the steup is compliant with the ADR.

And do cops quote ADR's or do they quote roads and traffic laws?
Click to expand...

They quote both.
ADR = levelling, washers, cutoff shape, cutoff definition, etc.
Road rules = no glare to oncoming drivers.

Obviously the cop would need to be familiar with the ADR to be able to cite compliance or not at the roadside. Then again, if the car gets pulled off the road and gets independently checked, you might find the car defected for failing to comply with ADRs.[/QUOTE]

Would this be all you would need:
http://www.tmtuning.com/HOME/catalog/product_detail.php?default_product=2091

Obviously not having the washers still..
 
iluvbrownale

iluvbrownale

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I actually learnt a bit reading this thread. Shame it had to become combative to get the info out there though.

I would agree that a prudent approach would be something like OEM projectors with levellers. Whilst washers may appear as an ADR, both the liklihood of this tripping you up legally or affecting other road users IF you kept your headlights clean anyway (like saad) would be pretty small.

I gave some thought to the headlight washer issue and can anyone suggest why it's in the ADR? My first thought was that dirt could scatter the beam but unless it was some sort of silica (?) it would be more likely to reduce the intensity of (an already superior) light i.e. they should be on halogen lamps as much as HID. Anyway, surely having water all over the surface, which would refract light, would do more harm than good on the cover, would it not? So what is it about HID lights that make the lawmakers think they need headlamp washers and halogen ones don't?
 
Pharkus

Pharkus

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Melbourne
They need washers as a legal requirement so that the ricers that try for the after market ones will cook their rice, it becomes soft and squishy and gets old quickly.

Light questions, especially about HID's and aftermarket conversions have been covered extensively many times on this forum.

Until the police start to enforce the law and hand out fines people will continue to use the aftermarket HID's without regard to the requirements. Much like the fog light issue...

Funny how I reported two cars for illegally parking and they haven't been parking there since.

/popcorn
 
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Maverick

Go Kart Champion
Location
Brisbane
iluvbrownale said:
I actually learnt a bit reading this thread. Shame it had to become combative to get the info out there though.

I would agree that a prudent approach would be something like OEM projectors with levellers. Whilst washers may appear as an ADR, both the liklihood of this tripping you up legally or affecting other road users IF you kept your headlights clean anyway (like saad) would be pretty small.

I gave some thought to the headlight washer issue and can anyone suggest why it's in the ADR? My first thought was that dirt could scatter the beam but unless it was some sort of silica (?) it would be more likely to reduce the intensity of (an already superior) light i.e. they should be on halogen lamps as much as HID. Anyway, surely having water all over the surface, which would refract light, would do more harm than good on the cover, would it not? So what is it about HID lights that make the lawmakers think they need headlamp washers and halogen ones don't?
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The light output from xenons is substantially greater than from halogens (generally by a factor of 4) and the light is concentrated in a smaller area (on the headlight itself).

A badly aligned halogen will piss you off but you can still see whereas a badly aligned xenon will blind you.

Dust/dirt building because of the extra light out put (factor of four) and it's concentration through the lense means it all comes out through a much smaller area of glass (halogen bounces around all over the place) so any dust/dirt does cause glare and often the driver will never notice it.

Your question was why do the lawmakers think they need headlamp washers on xenon and not on halogen is answered by reading ECE reg 48 (some good bedtime reading) as "any light with a output of 2000 lumens or greater must be equipped with a headlamp cleaner" (or something like that) so it doesn't matter if the car has halogen or xenons they must be equipped with cleaners.

Of interest is that FMVSS 108 in the USA (I have a link to that document on my website under the rear spoiler issue) does not require washers, this is not to say it's not required but just that sometimes the laws over there can be lacking (look at their older headlamp laws for example and the combined brake/indicator etc etc).
 
Bizi

Bizi

Jetta with Rice
Location
Sydney
Car(s)
Jetta MY07
Maverick said:
Your question was why do the lawmakers think they need headlamp washers on xenon and not on halogen is answered by reading ECE reg 48 (some good bedtime reading) as "any light with a output of 2000 lumens or greater must be equipped with a headlamp cleaner" (or something like that) so it doesn't matter if the car has halogen or xenons they must be equipped with cleaners...
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So Maverick, do you have the headlight washers and Osram 65W globes installed? I figure you at least have the latter given your recent post on my-gti.

I'm wondering if anyone put off from installing HIDs might want to investigate these bulbs, given your seal of approval post on my-gti.com.

Since you state these are rated at 2100 lumen, did you install the headlight washers, so that they are 'legal'?

If you know a source, suitable for a group buy, I'd like to get these, but not pay $50+ delivery!

Cheers,
Bizi
 
Bizi

Bizi

Jetta with Rice
Location
Sydney
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Jetta MY07
AE102R Corolla RV. Oh what a Feeling!

Especially with RS4 style wheels from a forum member. :)

Regarding bulbs - we'd need an order of 10 or more to make it worthwhile.

Just testing the waters. [edit] Benough, Mav & Me, there's six bulbs - anyone else? :)
 
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