Manual or DSG?

[VWnuts]

What transmission will you be getting? Used to be easy to decide on the manual cuz that would always give you the best acceleration times but now DSG is supposd to be faster than manual. I'll miss rowing my own gears but this time around I think I personally am gonna get the DSG. Can't wait Ive heard awesome things about it and not one bad thing really.

[MAlby7]

I've heard people say that if you start modding the engine and the hp and torque numbers increase enough the DSG tranny will have a hard time keeping up!

[HGVT]

I've heard people say that if you start modding the engine and the hp and torque numbers increase enough the DSG tranny will have a hard time keeping up!

Never even considered that. If true, this is one of those things where if you didnt even know to consider this b4 buying the car, later on you'd be screwed if you wanted to mod the car heavily.

[MarlonK911]

I've heard people say that if you start modding the engine and the hp and torque numbers increase enough the DSG tranny will have a hard time keeping up!

That's too bad cause I woulda loved to get DSG. Ive tried it in an A3 and that is the slickest transmission ever :bow: But this has me worried...any idea how up to how much power it can handle Malby?

[swami]

I wouldn't be too concerned about modding a DSG equipped car. Probably a software reflash of some kind would adjust shift points accordingly. I think the DSG is the way to go.

[MAlby7]

That's too bad cause I woulda loved to get DSG. Ive tried it in an A3 and that is the slickest transmission ever :bow: But this has me worried...any idea how up to how much power it can handle Malby?

I am not sure because not many people have started doing anything to their cars. I bet you a year down the road when people start making big power numbers you will start to hear of things breaking and such.

[kazyce]

Going with manual. I wouldn't know what to do with my left foot otherwise :burnrubber:

[EK_Turbo]

How long has DSG been out now?

[JJ-R32]

For anyone interested in a little explanation of DSG and seeing how quickly it shifts, check out the Fifth Gear video review of the GTI by Jason Plato in the video thread - http://www.golfmkv.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10.

[hipstomper]

hey guys i drove an A3 with DSG two days ago and that was one hell of a slick transmission...couldn't believe how fast it changed gears. I'm still on the fence about which transmission but it might come down to manual just to save some $ :D

[IT_Golf_man]

Looks like a 2:1 favor for manual right now. True enthusiasts here :thumbup:

[kazyce]

Does DSG have a launch control function?

[Dude123]

Not currently, will be released for 2007 GTi's.

[rega3]

Well I have driven both and I went for DSG, no doubt in my mind it was the best option. Gear change is literally instant, so fast.

[StookMK5]

DSG is the best non-manual transmission I ever tried out. I pictured myself as an F1 driver when I tried it :burnrubber:

[loft]

Driving is like sex, its not about being the fastes, but having the most fun.

Good control = alot of fun.

GO MANUAL

[UnitedGrayGTI]

Manual for sure.

[Rovman]

I enjoy the satisfaction of good heel-n-toe play too much to give it up. 6 sp. for me

[kazyce]

I enjoy the satisfaction of good heel-n-toe play too much to give it up. 6 sp. for me

Ditto. Nothing like the feeling of a perfect shift though I guess if you drive often in traffic something like the DSG would be a great atlernative. Since the DSG is supposed to be so good I wonder how many maual owners will convert.

[Mainy]

Retro manual for me :biggrin:

I test drove a DSG and have also driven a colleages DSG TT when I had my TT and I have to say that I did not feel as "involved" with the car :confused:

[Charis]

I doubt anyone actually has an actual # answer to this but how much HP's do you all think DSG can deal with? Wonder how much DSG cars can be modded.

[EK_Turbo]

I doubt anyone actually has an actual # answer to this but how much HP's do you all think DSG can deal with? Wonder how much DSG cars can be modded.

Sorry don't have an answer for you but if anyone is afraid of DSG not being able to handle a lot of aftermarket power you can bet that tuners will eventually sell components to beef up the DSG transmission to deal with a lot of power.

[kosmo6]

Call me crazy, but I'm thinking DSG. I have a long, slow commute in LA traffic, and I'm getting tired of having to deal with a heavy racing clutch on my Mustang. The idea of being faster and smoother while not having to tire my clutch leg doesn't sound too bad to me...

[GTi Fanatic]

I enjoy the satisfaction of good heel-n-toe play too much to give it up. 6 sp. for me

Manual is just too much fun to even consider something related to automatic.
What is driving with out one hand on the shifter:iono:

does the jetta 2.5 have dsg... maybe i drove it in that car?
im sure i would be impressed if i had a chance to drive a dsg gti in curves.

but back to my point: rev matching is too much fun to give up:bellyroll:

[HGVT]

Manual is just too much fun to even consider something related to automatic.
What is driving with out one hand on the shifter:iono:

does the jetta 2.5 have dsg... maybe i drove it in that car?
im sure i would be impressed if i had a chance to drive a dsg gti in curves.

but back to my point: rev matching is too much fun to give up:bellyroll:

Yea I'd imagine DSG is too much like playing a video game :biggrin: Then again I haven't tested it out so I'm basing this on my imagination and speculation :biggrin: But seriously I think I'd feel a disconnect with my car if I gave up manual.

[HydroGTI]

id get the DSG cause its bad ass, and im not that good driving manual, and im also lazy

[zephrus21]

the DSG is faster -yes by like what .025 seconds?!its smoother, has a faster
0-60.is the pinical of auto tranny tech.has cool f1 style paddle thingies.
however -for me its about the whole driving experience.i like to be in control of the car.

the more envolved with the car and the road i am is what does it for me.i think having the DSG would be cool at first,but after awhile i would get bored.being a little faster isnt enough for me-its all about how much fun im having even when im just running out to get milk.

[deadhead]

What worries me about DSG is potential repair costs. From what I understand, you've got two clutches, controlled by a computer. When something breaks (or when the clutches need to be replaced), what's it going to cost to fix it? Also, does anybody have any data on reliability/longevity of the DSG from the TT3.2?

[adams06gti]

First, I'll be going with the DSG. Have driven it in both the A3 and GTI and it is great. Nothing at all like any of the other fake tiptronic DSG wannabe transmissions out there. I know I won't be bored driving the GTI at Lime Rock or Watkins Glen HPDE's utilizing the DSG's rapid gear changes with my foot still on the gas and 2 hands on the wheel - but maybe thats just me. I don't think some of you fully appreciate the technology VW/Audi is offering us at only a $1K upcharge. But get what you think will work for you. Only my 2 cents.

Second, as far as reliabilty goes, the DSG set up has been out for a few years now, starting I believe with the Audi TT. Not that I love the magazine, but Speed Magazine's (Road and Track offshoot) June 2005 issue did a 3 vehicle test that included a highly modded (400HP) HPA Audi TT. Highest compliments went to the unmodded DSG transmission that could handle the power and mid to low 3's in the 0-60 with ease!

Obviously the DSG has a lot going on inside that could or couldn't go wrong - its called technology. At least you'll never have to worry about grinding a gear ever again. (That comment was not meant for those of you who have never missed a shift/gear - don't want to offend).

Cruising around will be relaxing in automatic mode, but it will be nice to know that when I want to - I can play F1 driver at the flick of the wrist!

Good luck with whatever set up you choose.

[ChrisR32]

If I had the DSG I'd turn into a lazy driver. I reckon theres only so long you'd used the paddles for until you just got into a habit of notching it into auto mod.

Plus how could I practice my heal and toe techniques :tongue:

[Brandon]

I opted for the manual simply because I like the whole shifting action and that 6spd manual box is a beauty to work too. Not to mention you save a bucket load of cash. :wink:

[YenPxxx]

Seems DSG is so popular that among GTI orders that VW isn't offering DSG as an option on any other VW models until September. The GTI and R32 both have priority when it comes to DSG transmissions.

[baat06]

I swore I'd always drive a manual... until I tried the DSG. Subjectively, it does have a video game feel, but not crappy like an IS300. The shifts are very fast.... I can't wait till the engine is properly broken in.

Now, ask me in 6 months if this was a good choice;)

[Herby]

I think that here we have traditionalists and people who want to try something new...I haven't driven the gti yet, but from what I read and hear, the DSG truly is awesome. However, to traditionalists, its all about the foot work and really being involved, whereas with the DSG, its like real circuit racing. I mean it must be good, considering VW is estimating half of all people who will buy it will choose DSG. Maybe its so good that it will make some of us convert. I'm pretty damn sure we'll be able to mod DSG equipped cars since VW isn't just going to use cheap materials,expecting no one to play with the car.

For now, I'm a manual purists and I'm sticking to it, but I haven't driven A DSG GTI, so I'll have to wait and see...

[illyun]

Look at www.morego.co.uk and check out the 270bhp upgrade. It is only available for the manual, while the 250bhp upgrade is DSG friendly. A sign of things to come?

[Sauceboy01]

This is quite a question.. but i think like stated above.. we're going to have to wait a while until the truth is unraveled.

[Jerome81]

I've driven only manuals since the day I started driving. I love them. Even on "boring" cars. My Miata wouldn't be a Miata without a manual. Most current auto trannies are amazing. Quick shifts, responsive downshifts, little power loss. However, they've all still been autos, even with buttons/paddles/triptonic gates, blah blah blah. There's always been that little bit of delay, a little sort mushiness between your foot and the juice. That's always been my biggest gripe.

I really am leaning towards the manual, mainly because as cool as the DSG is, you are still more involved. However, the DSG is freakin AWESOME. Acceleration does not delay, and instead of a sort of meshy mush between gears, the shifts BAM BAM, like the snap of a finger. The thrust into your seatback is non stop. Very impressive, and very cool. The other things are that the manual is a little rubbery and vague for my tastes (wasn't expecting Miata, but was hoping for a little more Acura RSX or something). But more than that, the pedal alignment just still doesn't feel right on the GTI. I feel a little too far when depressing the clutch, maybe slightly too close to the gas pedal, and WAY too close to the brake pedal. Most cars I can sorta twist my heel from gas to brake, in the GTI I have to lift my leg over to the brake pedal. And still stretching to get the clutch to the floor. I REALLY don't like that but wonder if I just need to get used to it, or get the seat positioned properly or something. That is my biggest gripe.

So, I can't yet vote. Don't really want an auto or have to pay the extra $1100 for it. Don't like the pedal distance on the manual and the DSG is very cool, very fast, and very un-auto-like.

[driv3r]

Hi everybody! I am a novice on the forum and a BIG Gti fan tooo... and i have 3 questions for the experts in DSG: i am planning 2 buy a DSG Golf Gti (european model) and i am curious:
1)if u can put the DSG in Neutral while driving ... let's say down on a long distance slope...
2)if u can make a departure with lounch control while using the manual gear change
3)how do u go back to D (automatic drive mode) after changing gears with the paddles without stoping
? :):confused: thanks

[tmrakip]

1.) I'm sure you could, never really tried it though
2.) Not sure
3.) You move the shifter over to 'D'

[euskadi71]

My question is... would any DSGers ever go back to a manual??

I'll have to go DSG myself. Driving in LA is rediculous, an hour and a half to drive 18 miles?! My left knee feels like it's gonna explode after 20 minutes of bumper to bumper. No more manual for me...sadly.

Oh, and I've always HATED automatics! But I guess DSG isn't exactly an automatic.

[Soot1e]

To answer euskadi71's question, yes, I have gone back to a 6 speed manual in my R32 after having had DSG in both a 3.2 TT and 3.2 A3. I found that the DSG after two years of use, took away the enjoyment of driving fast along the twisty and tight back roads in this area. It is easy to confuse the DSG and find yourself in the wrong gear at the wrong time.

Don't get me wrong the DSG is a fine piece of engineering and launch control is a manic bit of kit which is great to show off now and again, but at what cost to the gearbox?

Everyone to their own choice, for me manual is my preferred option at this time but who knows what the future will bring.

[NoRegrets78]

Great vid I found linked on the vortex.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2491445337871038412

[kirk180]

WOW! Talk about a thread ressurection. Anyways, yes there have been converters back to the manual. Didn't ya just read the thread about ScuderiaVw making that change? Anyways, if you think the traffic is too intense in LA for a manual then get a DSG. Lot's of drivers bought it for that reason alone. Some say they love it and others say they still prefer the 6spd manual but that the traffic is too crowded for one.

[Dub_52]

manual for me,....

I feel it puts me closer and more in touch with my 2007 GTI,...

A smooth shift through all six gears,....reving the engine, shifting at red-line,....braking and down shifting into a set of sweet "S" curves, accellerating and up shifting on the apexes,...Ahhhhhhhhhh,..so sweet.

Yeah,..I like the manual,..I like the control and the decision to shift when I want to.

Yep,...manual for me.


Dub_52

[Tom$lick]

I had already ordered a 6M and later test drove a DSG... It was impressive. The only thing is I would treat it like a toy, play with it for a bit when it's new and then not touch it after a couple weeks. I'm still of the opinion I made the right choice. I know the DSG is quicker, no problem believing, it's just not my cup of tea...

[GTIxpinay]

i went with manual, its just so much fun. But if i had to get a car that was auto, i would definitely go with the DSG.

[Jibbly]

I have a DSG, and of course I would go back to a 6spd. I love my DSG to death. However, there aren't any cars besides it that have good auto-trannies. At all. Period. And such.

So, yeah, unless they release the DSG on more Audis, or sell the technology, it's not worth getting any other automatic. As long as I have the GTI, I'll love my DSG, but it's the only automatic I'm gonna drive, at least until I've got arthritis in the knee. =P

[Fuzzbear]

So, yeah, unless they release the DSG on more Audis, or sell the technology, it's not worth getting any other automatic. =P

Trust me we are working on that : )


Getrag has purchased the Technology from us and supposedly has a couple applications that are supposed to go online in 2007, however Im not exactly sure who they are going to be for. Getrag makes transmissions for quite a few companies including BMW/Mini, Toyota, Daimler Chrysler, General Motors, and Ford.

Quote from Sept 2005 Press Release....

"AUBURN HILLS, Mich., Sept. 12 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Two Getrag transmissions on display at the 2005 Frankfurt Motor Show this week use BorgWarner's fuel-efficient DualTronic™ wet dual-clutch module technology. The programs will start production in 2007 and are for vehicle types that range from compact and mid-sized to luxury passenger cars and sport-utility vehicles.

Total BorgWarner DualTronic™ technology programs announced to date represent about 1.5 million transmissions per year at full production volumes. The company expects the demand for this type of technology to grow to 20 percent of the European passenger car market by 2015.

DualTronic™ technology is currently available on a range of VW and Audi vehicles, including the VW Golf R32; the Audi TT; the diesel and turbocharged direct-injected gasoline engine versions of the VW Golf; the VW Touran; the VW Passat; the VW Jetta; the Audi A3 Sportback; the Skoda Octavia; and the Seat Altea, Toledo and Leon.

I believe there is a 3rd European MFG'r that is supposed to come online in 2007 with dual clutch gearboxes, but again..they are all keeping tight lipped as to who they actually are.

I have neard rumblings that DaimlerChrysler NA was also considering switching all of thier current Automatic Transmissions to Dual Clutch technology.


EDIT

one of the Getrag transmissions is for Ford-Europe. Ford is calling thier version of the transmission "Powershift"

[NRS]

I doubt anyone actually has an actual # answer to this but how much HP's do you all think DSG can deal with? Wonder how much DSG cars can be modded.
you can get up to 312 ps with decreased torque....The (problem) with the dsg is not the hp but the torque tha the transmision cant handle!!!
My personal opinion is that 300 hp is very good for me!!!!

[cmdrfire]

I believe there is a 3rd European MFG'r that is supposed to come online in 2007 with dual clutch gearboxes, but again..they are all keeping tight lipped as to who they actually are.


This 3rd Manufacturer should be Porsche. I have heard tell that the Tiptronic-S found in the new 997 Turbo is based on DSG technology. Don't know 100% for sure if that's it though, but I do know that Porsche will be introducing DSG on the Turbo.

[Fonderson]

but I do know that Porsche will be introducing DSG on the Turbo.
PDK

[Diabel]

personally i believe that DSG is a lot better and its more fun to drive. However, you have to test drive both of them. To have a manual in US is a suicide for a transmission. If you want to play you can always swich to either sport or tipronic and it is a loooooooooot of fun!

[zerogt86]

personally i believe that DSG is a lot better and its more fun to drive. However, you have to test drive both of them. To have a manual in US is a suicide for a transmission. If you want to play you can always swich to either sport or tipronic and it is a loooooooooot of fun!

just wondering why its suicide to have a proper manual in the US, because i havnt died yet...

For the thread starter: just test drive both the 6M and the DSG. I was impressed with the DSG but ultimatly i found the 6M to be much more fun.

[cmdrfire]

PDK

PDK?

[Fonderson]

PDK?

Porsche's DSG will be called PDK. I should have some more info about it later on, if you're interested.

[cmdrfire]

Porsche's DSG will be called PDK. I should have some more info about it later on, if you're interested.

Aah, I see. More information is always welcome!

[Fonderson]

Aah, I see. More information is always welcome!
PM'D

[Ironhorz]

I ended up with the manual for a few reasons.

1. No offense to you DSG owners meant here but to me the DSG is just a automatic with a few gadgets. I've never liked auto's and don't see that changing anytime soon.

2. I've never owned a 6 speed and I feel that I made the right choice after all the driving I've done. :clap: :thumbsup:

[RedlineMotorworks]

I have a 6 speed. I personally think it's more fun to drive. Downshifting, chirping tires, clutch. My left leg would get so bored...it depends if you have a morning commute full of traffic or if you just love to drive. I'm of the latter.:biggrin: If you plan on tracking at a very serious level, I imagine DSG will yield quicker lap times..

[euskadi71]

Hmm, wonder what happened to the OP? I just noticed that his last post was Jan 24th! :confused:

[Kurupt]

DSG is the best auto tranny ever invented basically... i love it and comming from a MT it still has the fun factor but it ads the relaxed feeling of an auto...even tho i never have it in regular drive mode i am always using the paddles and the shifter...ALWAYS MOTHA F**KERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[hondude]

DSG is why I bought a GTI. Slick, slick, slick! Besides that, I've always had the opinion, based on manual VW's I've driven in the past, that most VW's have the same clutch pedal feel as a 1976 Ford F100. Not fun.

[Kurupt]

manual for me,....

I feel it puts me closer and more in touch with my 2007 GTI,...

A smooth shift through all six gears,....reving the engine, shifting at red-line,....braking and down shifting into a set of sweet "S" curves, accellerating and up shifting on the apexes,...Ahhhhhhhhhh,..so sweet.

Yeah,..I like the manual,..I like the control and the decision to shift when I want to.

Yep,...manual for me.


Dub_52

have you driven a DSG? just so u know in a dsg u can downshift and shift basically whenever you want being up or down

[crimsontiger6]

I have an MX-5 with a manual box, and I love it. BUT my wife can only drive an auto so we'll get DSG. BTW I'm keeping the MX-5 as well :wub:

Mwahahahahhahahahahaha Ii'll own two of the worlds best driver's cars. :evil:

[blindchild02]

DSG

[DBCPerformance]

I am coming from an 06 DSG and now 07 6MT. I still believe as long as you know how to utilize the DSG and paddles, it is as much fun and of course, way much faster shifting.