Bone Stock 14.3@95.61

[TZSGTI]

Well i finally took the GTI to the track. I used launch control ESP off. I had an average of 91 oct ( the stupid gas attendent last night put 87 oct in the car. By the time i got to the track i had a little over a half a tank of 87 oct which is about 7.5 gallons. So i bought two gallons of 104 oct at the track so i figured that average's out to 91 oct). Temp was about 60-64 F. Anyway i was spinning of course.

1st run
60' 2.137
330' 6.055
1/8 9.317
mph 75.58
1000' 12.134
1/4 et 14.517
1/4 MPH 94.63

2nd run:
60' 2.136
330' 5.993
1/8 9.203
mph 76.63
1000' 11.986
1/4 ET 14.341
1/4 MPH 95.61

Not bad for the first time :w00t:

What do you guys think? Maybe another time if i have 93 oct with less then a 1/4 tank (about 2/3 tank this time) and maybe a better launch i can knock a tenth or two off the ET? I was thinking maybe 14.1 or 14.2?

[drumma022]

Great times! Makes me like the GTI more and more.

[Plyngntrffc]

wow...

[GTI2007]

Pretty nice times

[Plyngntrffc]

haven't seen better stock...

[SloppySRT]

Sooo, how are these times better than any other DSG? It should be pretty consistant

[MKV Shqiptar]

every gallon of gas is 1 tenth on the time.. get to the track w/ a quarter tank and you'll get better times. and every 100 lbs is also a tenth.

and it really depends on your launch, a set of good times and you'll get a fairly consistent time with the dsg.

[MKV Shqiptar]

btw. where did you go since your from NY??

[GOLfAh]

Were you running flats?

[mkc7]

every gallon of gas is 1 tenth on the time.. get to the track w/ a quarter tank and you'll get better times. and every 100 lbs is also a tenth.

and it really depends on your launch, a set of good times and you'll get a fairly consistent time with the dsg.

Umm, i'm sorry, but what?? You think that by eliminating 1 gallon of gasoline(around 8 lbs) that you will run a tenth faster? You are right in saying that every 100 lbs you take off is about 1/10th faster, but last time i checked, a gallon of gas does not weigh 100 lbs.

[Mr.evil]

that is cool times there dude..........it is all for fun.....

[Aguilar]

Definitely good times. I ran a 14.5 with stage 1, only at the time I didn't have LC and I looked like an ass taking off 2 seconds after the other dude.

I measured the quarter with Ross-Tech's Vag-Com new feature and it seemed to be pretty accurate, ran a 14.4 with LC, but with plenty of wheelspin (35psi on summer tires). Can wait to get home to do some more clutch degrading launches. :P

[Budussy]

Very nice!

[MKV Shqiptar]

Umm, i'm sorry, but what?? You think that by eliminating 1 gallon of gasoline(around 8 lbs) that you will run a tenth faster? You are right in saying that every 100 lbs you take off is about 1/10th faster, but last time i checked, a gallon of gas does not weigh 100 lbs.

sorry i messed that up lol i just noticed how much sense that doesnt make. but if you run with a quarter tank you'll get a faster time than with a half or more.

[mose6161]

For your launch control, did you let go at 3000 rpms, or like 2500? i have found at 3 i don't always get the best launch.

[TZSGTI]

It was at island dragway in NJ. I did the runs on stock A/S Conti with factory pressure (35 psi i think). I only got 2 runs because it was very busy
so i really couldnt try different things. I launched at 3000 rpm, i wanted to try 2500 rpm i will try that next time. I was even spinning in 2nd so i may try to lower the pressure a bit. The only thing was my rear left tire was low (about 29-30 psi) i dont know if that makes a differnce like more drag on that tire? Does anyone know if the summer tires stick better at the track?

[tasteofink8733]

Check your ticket. You got the wrong time. It is impossible for you to cut that low of a 60 sec on a/s launching at 3000. Dont mean to seem like a dick but they probably fucked it up somehow.

[TZSGTI]

Check your ticket. You got the wrong time. It is impossible for you to cut that low of a 60 sec on a/s launching at 3000. Dont mean to seem like a dick but they probably fucked it up somehow.

Hows this? Diffrent cars can vary and diff conditions like track prep etc. What makes you say that it is impossible. Also maybe they updated the launch control on 08's that would decrease spinning?

Plus you think they f'ed it up two times in a row?

[tasteofink8733]

Hows this? Diffrent cars can vary and diff conditions like track prep etc. What makes you say that it is impossible. Also maybe they updated the launch control on 08's that would decrease spinning?

Plus you think they f'ed it up two times in a row?

I dont know. Maybe you have a factory monster.

[labelskate]

Hows this? Diffrent cars can vary and diff conditions like track prep etc. What makes you say that it is impossible. Also maybe they updated the launch control on 08's that would decrease spinning?

Plus you think they f'ed it up two times in a row?

dont listen to him... nice time :w00t:

[TZSGTI]

dont listen to him... nice time :w00t:


I will try to go to the track again and duplicate this. This time i will get some one to video it

[tasteofink8733]

dont listen to him... nice time :w00t:

I am not trying to put him down in any way. Its just hard to believe his first time down a track he runs a time that no one has done yet.

[TZSGTI]

I dont know. Maybe you have a factory monster.

Either that or the track was prepped very good. Note i went around the water box so that it wouldnt be slippery.

I wish it was a factory monster but the trap speeds indicate a normal trap speed for a stock gti. If i had trapped like 97 or 98 then maybe :biggrin: .

[tasteofink8733]

Get some drag radials maybe youll break into the high 13s.

[TZSGTI]

I am not trying to put him down in any way. Its just hard to believe his first time down a track he runs a time that no one has done yet.

First time with the gti not the first time ever with any car :biggrin: . This is another reason i like the DSG ( like one magazine said) " it makes anyone in to a drag king" ( i am not sure the exact words). :biggrin:

[t.c. gtimkv]

Video please!:thumbsup:

[my07blkgti]

Very impressive! Never have I seen these kind of numbers on a stock GTI

[mkc7]

Me and a bunch of my friends are going to island this friday, you should come down!

[f_399]

holy crap your 60' is amazing, sure you werent on slicks?

[gti=sexy]

( the stupid gas attendent last night put 87 oct in the car.

you don't pump your own gas???!!!?!?!

lazy butt.

lol

[ratboyyy]

that time seems insanely fast for a stock gti, i'm sorry i usually never say this, but i need a vid, i mean, stg 1 does around 14.1

[TZSGTI]

I dont blame anyone for not believing it because i didnt believe it myself when i saw the slip. I will try to duplicate this, i was thinking at the event at Englishtown this sunday VW Classic Showngo.

[ratboyyy]

I dont blame anyone for not believing it because i didnt believe it myself when i saw the slip. I will try to duplicate this, i was thinking at the event at Englishtown this sunday VW Classic Showngo.

yea, no offenese really, it's just that time is crazy, i think the fastest stock time is something like 14.70 or 14.69, not even sure if someone dipped in the .6s yet, but if you can get it again on vid, that would be nnnniiiccceeee

[TZSGTI]

you don't pump your own gas???!!!?!?!

lazy butt.

lol


I get my gas in NJ because its 30 cents cheaper a gallon. In NJ the law is you cannot pump youre own gas. I know its a stupid law :iono: .

[Plyngntrffc]

yea, no offenese really, it's just that time is crazy, i think the fastest stock time is something like 14.70 or 14.69, not even sure if someone dipped in the .6s yet, but if you can get it again on vid, that would be nnnniiiccceeee

there are 14.5's out there already

[ratboyyy]

there are 14.5's out there already

really?, you got a link, just want to check it out, must have missed that thread then

[my07blkgti]

holy crap your 60' is amazing, sure you werent on slicks?

nah slicks would've cut the 60' to 1.8 or better. But that is a nice 60' with the stock tires.

[tasteofink8733]

I dont blame anyone for not believing it because i didnt believe it myself when i saw the slip. I will try to duplicate this, i was thinking at the event at Englishtown this sunday VW Classic Showngo.

See you there.

[AndorGLI]

dam those are amazing times. wish i can run on that track

[TZSGTI]

I went to the track again last night and this time i went to englishtown.

Temp was 67-68 about 5 degrees higher then last time. Humidity was a killer about 85-90%. I did not have time to cool down much so my car was really running hot (heat soake :mad: ). Englishtown is usually a track that you get average time not high or low. I was able to feel that it was not making full power because of the humidity and heat soake.

Run 1:
60' 2.222
330' 6.164
1/8 9.445
mph 74.28
1000' 12.289
1/4 14.702
mph 93.45

Run 2: ( Best run of the night)
60' 2.188 ( close to last time)
330' 6.079
1/8 9.323
mph 75.04
1000' 12.147
1/4 14.546
mph 93.84

Run 3:
60' 2.198
330' 6.149
1/8 9.429
mph 74.32
1000' 12.272
1/4 14.684
mph 93.45

As you can see my trap speed was down 2 mph because of the conditions.

Now, where are the doubters? Do people still not believe me? :iono:

I didnt bring a video camera thi time either it was straight from school and it was a last minute thing.

[my07blkgti]

I am still debating if I should run the car at show-n-go or just put it in the show.

But those are nice times.

[Budussy]

I went to the track again last night and this time i went to englishtown.

Temp was 67-68 about 5 degrees higher then last time. Humidity was a killer about 85-90%. I did not have time to cool down much so my car was really running hot (heat soake :mad: ). Englishtown is usually a track that you get average time not high or low. I was able to feel that it was not making full power because of the humidity and heat soake.

Run 1:
60' 2.222
330' 6.164
1/8 9.445
mph 74.28
1000' 12.289
1/4 14.702
mph 93.45

Run 2:
60' 2.188 ( close to last time)
330' 6.079
1/8 9.323
mph 75.04
1000' 12.147
1/4 14.546
mph 93.84

Run 3:
60' 2.198
330' 6.149
1/8 9.429
mph 74.32
1000' 12.272
1/4 14.684
mph 93.45

As you can see my trap speed was down 2 mph because of the conditions.

Now, where are the doubters? Do people still not believe me? :iono:

I didnt bring a video camera thi time either it was straight from school and it was a last minute thing.
:w00t:

[Meat]

14.7 is a more believable time that 14.3

[Raphael]

14.7 is a more believable time that 14.3

yea but look at his trap speed. 93?

[TZSGTI]

14.7 is a more believable time that 14.3


My best time was 14.5 that night.

And no matter what people say i did get that 14.3 on sunday. I first doubted the track but after last night when i got a decent 60' and a 14.5 with a trap speed that was 2 mph less i dont think its a mistake. :iono:

Again i will try when its a little colder to get in on video next time. Last night it was a last minute thing.

[my07blkgti]

What track did you go to that you got the 14.3? because I usually go to englishtown when I do.

[labelskate]

cooler temps = faster turbo spool? idk but with DSG a 14.3 seems plausible. this car is so much faster then my 6sp was. well that's obviously because DSG is faster then like everyone under any situation lol.

[TZSGTI]

What track did you go to that you got the 14.3? because I usually go to englishtown when I do.

Island Dragway in Great meadows, NJ.

And the second time was Raceway Park Englishtown NJ.

[TZSGTI]

cooler temps = faster turbo spool? idk but with DSG a 14.3 seems plausible. this car is so much faster then my 6sp was. well that's obviously because DSG is faster then like everyone under any situation lol.

Yes it was cool. But high humidity can really kill power in a turbo. Plus our cars have alot of heat soake. It took me about 2 hour drive to the track with alot of stop and go traffic which makes the temp pretty high. When i got to the track i had about 20 minutes to cool down vs and hour and half last time at island when i got the 14.3.

Atco raceway is open in the winter so i was thinking of cheating and going in a 40 degree day and get a high trap speed :biggrin: . That is what type of temeratures you want for a turbo. But then again colder also makes it harder to launch.

65 degrees is cool but not cold. ( car and driver corrects thier performance numbers based on 60 degrees F.)

[phrog23]

not bad time,\

what was your RT time?

[my07blkgti]

So atco is open all throughout the winter? Might have to hit that up also.

[tasteofink8733]

Or we can stop pretending we drive drag cars and go hit up the twisties.

[veedubin]

Or we can stop pretending we drive drag cars and go hit up the twisties.

Spoken for the truth. Fwd small turbo straight line is not what these cars were bred for; but to each their own.

[MKV Aaron]

Its still fun

[SRTthis]

wow damn impressive. u sure u didnt get a gray import 30 edition? lol. i hope to run anywhere in the 14s when i go lol

[TZSGTI]

Or we can stop pretending we drive drag cars and go hit up the twisties.

I am a Hipicrit :biggrin: because i alwasy say that our cars are not for drag racing. As soon as i got the car i was planning on road racing it alot. I decided to get baseline run at the strip before i do mods. And now that i got these numbers at the strip i am addicted now :biggrin:. I was thinking maybe i will brake into the 14s but i did alot better then i expected.

I always tell my brother who has a fast camaro that if i wanted a drag car i would have bought a 98 LS1 camaro for about 6-7k dollars and get 13s stock.

[g60_corrado_91]

Interesting. I was supposed to go to the track today, but they have some Halloween Havoc Party today (Great Lakes Dragway) and it's not really open for fun runs. My best time was a 14.871@94.3 and that was with it being about 85 degrees out and high humidity (heat soak). That was intake only and 3/4 full fuel tank with 26 pound rims at the factory PSI (30 or 35, can't remember). Oh, and 6MT.

I was hoping to run a 14.5 or 14.6 today especially since it's only 55 out, but the stupid Halloween thing. I'll have to try this week or next weekend.

Good times though.

[Lou_Y2mK5]

TZSGTI, Did you let the dsg shift for you or did you shift. If so @ what rpms?

[TZSGTI]

TZSGTI, Did you let the dsg shift for you or did you shift. If so @ what rpms?

I let it shift by itself is S. I was wondering myself, should i try to shift @XXXX RPM manually. Would this result with better times anyone know?

I also launched it at 3000rpm which was ok because it was hooking ok. If i have alot of wheelspin when i go to the track when its cold i might try to launch at 2400-2500.

I ordered the Evoms but i want to try to see if i can get a better ET or even better MPH bone stock before i do the Evoms.

[tasteofink8733]

I am a Hipicrit :biggrin: because i alwasy say that our cars are not for drag racing. As soon as i got the car i was planning on road racing it alot. I decided to get baseline run at the strip before i do mods. And now that i got these numbers at the strip i am addicted now :biggrin:. I was thinking maybe i will brake into the 14s but i did alot better then i expected.

I always tell my brother who has a fast camaro that if i wanted a drag car i would have bought a 98 LS1 camaro for about 6-7k dollars and get 13s stock.

Yea, I thought it was fun too. Then i went auto-x two days later and my whole outlook changed.

[FIJIParisi]

our cars drop off pretty bad after like 5200-5300 rpms...

try shifting it next time around there... you may get a better time with less or similar trap speed (b/c your pulling less mph per gear, but getting more power our to the track)

id love to test my car out stock... but the temps/humidity here are anti-racing of any kind... some days my car feels so sluggish i might as well drive my civic...

[mkVrbt]

really really good driver :thumup:

[kmf82]

Well prepped track + good driver + good weather = good 1/4 mile times. Just because someone else can't get a 14.3 doesn't mean the car isn't capable. Just look at his 60 ft. and you'll see why he ran that time. Until I read this thread, 90% of the runs I've seen people don't know how to launch the car without frying the tires halfway down the track.

[Andaris]

wow very nice times.. ! i wanna see a vid, like previous poster said eviromental issues, track, driver can all influence.
doesnt a stage 1 run low 14s and even high 13s though?

[MOPAR man]

The other thing that is wrong with that original run (14.292@94?) is with the 60' time and the elapsed time, you were running incredibly slow or things are hosed up timing wise.

You should have had a better trap speed like low 100's. Did you lift? Or you are making a lot less than 200HP. Don't try running any first gen/FWD Eclipse.

[Loudener]

The other thing that is wrong with that original run (14.292@94?) is with the 60' time and the elapsed time, you were running incredibly slow or things are hosed up timing wise.

You should have had a better trap speed like low 100's. Did you lift? Or you are making a lot less than 200HP. Don't try running any first gen/FWD Eclipse.

Yeah. The guys running stock Mustangs out here are getting 14.0 or 13.9 stock and they are trapping 98-101 mph. With 300hp and 315 ft/lbs on street tires.

[Budussy]

Check this out, hes faster and stock http://wednesdaynight-racing.com/?p=8

[vDubr]

Or we can stop pretending we drive drag cars and go hit up the twisties.

x2 :clap:

[TZSGTI]

The other thing that is wrong with that original run (14.292@94?) is with the 60' time and the elapsed time, you were running incredibly slow or things are hosed up timing wise.

You should have had a better trap speed like low 100's. Did you lift? Or you are making a lot less than 200HP. Don't try running any first gen/FWD Eclipse.

look at the WRX they have amazing ET's with low trap speeds because they can hook like crazy. Thanks to the very good track prep and amazing launch control i also had incredible traction. And i dont think my car is dying down or low on HP for a stock car becuase if you look at my other post i trapped 96.3 MPH which is a bit higher then most stock GTI's. I would guess that it would not be abnormal for a stock GTI to run very good et's with drag radials and
with a low trapspeed.

I made a mistake i think the other post i was racing an eclipse not a 300zx. Plus if you read my post he screwed up and missed a gear. You can see he can clearly beat me if he didnt screw up (especially with his 100 mph trap).

[Turb0matic]

these times look just fine. i ran a 14.4 in the summer in florida, it was like 85ish out. I just ran the other day in like 60 degrees and i ran a 14.29 with just an intake.

very nice run!

[g60_corrado_91]

Check this out, hes faster and stock http://wednesdaynight-racing.com/?p=8

That's a damn good time along with a really low 60' time which makes the 1/4 mile time believable, and I can see it looks all stock, but that's the key. I don't think he's BS'ing us, but how are we to tell that he doesn't have a flash of some type? I'm sure he doesn't, I am just amazed at how fast these cars are really turning out to be. A MS3 that dyno's 235ish whp and 255ish wtq is running high 13's. Stock DSG GTI's are turning 14.2's. That's pretty impressive since the GTI is down at least 35whp.

[my07blkgti]

Or we can stop pretending we drive drag cars and go hit up the twisties.

Or we can stop pretending we have formula 1 cars or rally cars.

Your theory makes no sense. I respect ALL aspects of driving, whatever it may be and for you to knock drag racing it doesn't look good at all.

Granted a GTI in its stock form or even staged 2 out isn't the fastest car out there, it holds its own with the puny K03 that it comes with.

I am all about all around performance thats why I build my car that way and thats why I hit the drag strip at times and this upcoming spring will begin autox.

They are two totally different types of driving and test two completely different aspects of the car and should not be seen as one is better than the other because its subjective.

[SloppySRT]

Or we can stop pretending we have formula 1 cars or rally cars.

Your theory makes no sense. I respect ALL aspects of driving, whatever it may be and for you to knock drag racing it doesn't look good at all.

Granted a GTI in its stock form or even staged 2 out isn't the fastest car out there, it holds its own with the puny K03 that it comes with.

I am all about all around performance thats why I build my car that way and thats why I hit the drag strip at times and this upcoming spring will begin autox.

They are two totally different types of driving and test two completely different aspects of the car and should not be seen as one is better than the other because its subjective.


X2!!

I respect the GTI as alot of you know, but this whole "take it to the twisties" arguement is just getting a little too played out around here. Skidpad and slalom speeds for the GTI are comparable to other "performance" cars, like the G35 coupe and even the SRT4, so its not like the MKV will simply dominate in the twisties. Also, lets be realistic here, we're not all Colin McRae (RIP), so before we go convincing people to carve up the nearest canyon, take into account that, no matter how long someone has been driving, they're probably not a great driver. Keep it at the track. It's atleast relatively safe there.

[Debo]

will a stage 1 flash bring the gti in to the high 13's?

[Budussy]

will a stage 1 flash bring the gti in to the high 13's?

Only if your a realy, realy good driver

[Debo]

Only if your a realy, realy good driver

guess i will be stayin in the high 14's

[g60_corrado_91]

^ Are you stock? What do you have if not? 6MT or DSG?

I ran a 14.8 with intake only, but I have a Pkg 1 (sunroof adds a little weight), 26 pound rims, and something around a 1/2 tank of fuel.

With catless DP, intake, and 1/4 fuel (no flash yet), I ran a 14.448@97.33.

If you are DSG, there are guys running mid 14's stock, or mostly stock (intake only).

Stg 1 guys usually run low 14's, but I'll bet some of these stock DSG GTI's running better than 14.5 may get 13's with the DSG only. With 6MT, yeah, the driver mod is required.