EOI: Selling 2006 White MKV GTI

[WhiteJames]

Expressions of Interest in Possible Sale:

Toying with the idea of selling my GTI privately to buy MKVI GTI in the near future (yes ... with dynamic electronic suspension).

Looking for a feeler from forum members & associates on possible sale of my GTI in the Sydney area.

If anyone is interested please send me a PM:

Make /Type: Volkswagen MKV GTI DSG
Colour: Candy White
Year: June 2006 build / July 2006 compliance / MY07 model.
Mileage: 47,000km

Warranty:

200,000km/6year McGrath Sutherland VW Dealer-Only Warranty (vehicle must be serviced every 6 months/10,000km).

Factory Options:

1. DSG auto
2. Anthracite Leather
3. IPOD connector in glovebox - genuine VW kit.

Non-Factory Upgrades:

1. KW V3 Coil Over Suspension – Compression/Rebound Adjustable (Price Locally: $4,000)

2. H&R small solid adjustable Anti-Roll bars 26mm/22mm in diameter (Priced Locally: $1200)

3. Huff 18” x 7.5" x ET51 GTI Polished Wheels with grey inserts & grey inner wheel (Priced Locally: $3,200).

4. Blue/Black Street Wise Solar Tint - Dealer Supplied (Max Legal Tint).

Bonus Items:

Original Suspension: Springs / Dampers / Struts / Anti-Roll bars may be negotiated in sale of vehicle.

Original Wheels: 17”x 7.5” x ET51 Denver GTI Wheels may also be included in the sale (2 x wheels scuffed/scratched) as a second set for new owner may also be negotiated in sale.

Finance: None (privately owned).

Service History: Dealer serviced every 6 months/7500km.

Rego Due Date: August 2010.

Condition:

Excellent ... spends most of the time in large undercover garage ... not used to drive to work anymore. Vehicle has never been chipped or tracked or involved in a motor vehicle collision.

COST OF VEHICLE: $56,000.

LISTING ON CARSALES.COM: $36,980.

See link on carsales.com.au

http://www.carsales.com.au/all-cars/private/details.aspx?R=7889185&__Qpb=true&Cr=1&__Ns=pCar_RankSort_Int32%7c1%7c%7cpCar_PriceSort_D ecimal%7c1%7c%7cpCar_Make_String%7c0%7c%7cpCar_Mod el_String%7c0&keywords=&__N=1216%201246%201247%201252%201282%204294962746% 204294962677%20898%204294898544&SearchAction=N&silo=1011&__No=30&seot=1&tsrc=allcarhome&__Nne=15&trecs=60&__sid=1238E73F94ED

At this stage:

No rush to do anything atm. Ambivalent about selling this vehicle. Yet to organise an extended test drive in the MKVI GTI and waiting on local motoring reviews on comparisons.

CHEERS
WJ

[WhiteJames]

Pictures ... will update with better quality pics in due course.

[johno]

honestly would not drop your car for a mkvi GTI. for a 2010 golf R i would. if youre a bit bored just change the styling of your car. colour code, maybe a nice body kit and catback exhaust. perhaps upgrade to xenons and RNS510 or similar satnav unit. just my 2c mate.

[Androo]

honestly would not drop your car for a mkvi GTI. for a 2010 golf R i would. if youre a bit bored just change the styling of your car. colour code, maybe a nice body kit and catback exhaust. perhaps upgrade to xenons and RNS510 or similar satnav unit. just my 2c mate.

:word:

[WhiteJames]

Conundrum: (1) Sell now and spend 15K for new MK6 GTI - Manual, White/Red, 18" Wheels, Dynamic Suspension ... or ... (2) Keep mine until MK7 GTI in 2013 and spend 20-30K in 3.5 years time in price differential. Corporate discount of 6% plus some $ off stamp duty, so I'm told by dealer, may make it lucrative to sell MK5 earlier for MK6 ... then sell again in 2013 for MK7 with a newer MK6 as trade-in. In other words ... spend 2 x 15K (sell for MK6 then sell again for MK7) or 1 x 30K (keep my MK5 & sell for MK7 only in 2013). Not planning on any other upgrades to this GTI. Orders placed now for MK6 will not be delivered until March/April 2010 ... R20T due in June 2010. May try both before I make any decision; but probably go with GTI in the 40-45K price bracket which suits me better as a private cash buyer. Issue re: AWD/RWD advantage - I spend half my time in work vehicles, half of which are RWD with LSD ... so very familiar with dynamics of FWD -v- RWD. I'm still happy with FWD and like the less weight of the GTI. Have to take Barloworld's Silver Manual out for an extended drive in next 2 weeks around town to see if I'm prepared to put up with manual gearbox for a change. No rush to do anything atm. Still 50/50 on selling my GTI.

Cheers
WJ

[Hilton_K]

Now the big question, would you part out :biggrin:

[WhiteJames]

You're out of luck on the part-out.
Cheers.
WJ

[G-rig]

Hi WJ, good luck with the sale. Would be sad to see it go, love the 18" Huffs.

Sounds like you're pretty keen on the dynamic electronic suspension.. Wonder how much you'd feel it of if it's a gimmic like 4ws in the Preludes?

I'd go for a Golf R as well, sounds like they won't be that much more and if the current R is anything to go by would hold its value better too. Some hard decisions :D.

[funny]

Hmm, GL with it. Hope this doesn't mean bye bye from another member from the forum.
I also thought the same - must be the adaptive dampers he's after.

From all accounts might not be much of a difference in drive but I guess time will tell (once we have a Mk6 GTI on a GTG) whether the XDL makes a difference on the street.

Wish I had the cash to buy a Mk6, would love to punt it. I'd hold off for the R tho. Would be much better once chipped vs FWD only (which most of us know about in Mk5).

Will they let you test run thru the RNP??
:lol:

[Jig]

Nice car WJ. Bit of a dilemma for you I see. If your situation remains the same in 2010 and onwards then buying an MK6 GTI or an MK6 R wont make any bit of difference then if the car rarely sees the light of day. You will simply leak cash for a car that you rarely use and enjoy. Unless of course your one of those guys that love looking at cars parked in garages most times.

Hard to say if that electronic suspension would make a difference in normal driving. Through the RNP maybe and quite possibly the track but RNP and the track are not your normal drives or for most people for that matter.

This is where maybe you need to make decisions based on logic rather than emotion. But dont take it from me. Half the time I make car decisions based on emotions. Good luck with it WJ.

[Capercat]

Conundrum: (1) Sell now and spend 15K for new MK6 GTI - Manual, White/Red, 18" Wheels, Dynamic Suspension ... or ... (2) Keep mine until MK7 GTI in 2013 and spend 20-30K in 3.5 years time in price differential. Corporate discount of 6% plus some $ off stamp duty, so I'm told by dealer, may make it lucrative to sell MK5 earlier for MK6 ... then sell again in 2013 for MK7 with a newer MK6 as trade-in. In other words ... spend 2 x 15K (sell for MK6 then sell again for MK7) or 1 x 30K (keep my MK5 & sell for MK7 only in 2013). Not planning on any other upgrades to this GTI. Orders placed now for MK6 will not be delivered until March/April 2010 ... R20T due in June 2010. May try both before I make any decision; but probably go with GTI in the 40-45K price bracket which suits me better as a private cash buyer. Issue re: AWD/RWD advantage - I spend half my time in work vehicles, half of which are RWD with LSD ... so very familiar with dynamics of FWD -v- RWD. I'm still happy with FWD and like the less weight of the GTI. Have to take Barloworld's Silver Manual out for an extended drive in next 2 weeks around town to see if I'm prepared to put up with manual gearbox for a change. No rush to do anything atm. Still 50/50 on selling my GTI.

Cheers
WJ

James, its all too scientific what you wrote. All the best with the sale, but I feel you might experience remorse because your current setup is brilliant!.

[G-rig]

I guess you would need to take it for a longer test drive WJ to see if the electronic suspension is as good as any after market setups.

If you're not doing many km the mk5 should last you a long time and stay in pristine condition.

[saad]

Keep the MK5! Then get a MK7 when it is out and convert the MK5 to a track car or somethign as you mentioed in one of your other posts

[Capercat]

Up grade the MK5 to something beyond a Golf in a couple of years, the move between MK5 & MK6 or MK7 isn't great.

[Vagabond]

How about Kwazivietnamize's S3? (it's a manual though)

[Capercat]

Yes, that's a worth while up grade...going from DSG to 6MT is also consided an up grade :wink:

[johno]

i think the dealer is conning you to change cars because at every step they will make money off you. the mk6 is no major change from the 5. i would definitely get your dealer to give you an extended test drive of the mk6 with the adpative suspension but i dont think theyre offering those at dealerships straight up for test drive. from my short glimpse at the GTI academy, thought that comfort mode was a lot like stock GTI and sports perhaps a very soft koni FSD setup. think hard about selling your car for the reasons you have given. who knows what will be out in 2013. you may not be in a VW.

[WhiteJames]

All good advice guys. Jose, You could be right ... I could be having a 'Maserati Moment'. I ride motorcycle to & fro work most days, otherwise work car or train. GTI is raking up average km's per year (15,000km), but mostly on infrequent long distance hauls, rather than inner city trips ... which is exactly what the GTI is set up for. Thought the 'part-out' issue would come to light fairly quickly. Eugene, VW do not have any vehicles to test drive with dynamic suspension. Reading the reviews suggests that difference from level to level may not be anywhere as pronounced as the Audi/Ferrari/HSV magnatec system or straight out coilover. I've been told it's a mechanic valve system that only alters rebound. MK6 GTI still likely to be fairly biased towards understeer in chassis, depsite XDS aid reducting in understeer. Dynamic suspension should be standard on R20T, so Barloworld tell me (explains slight price rise from R32). Adaptive dampers are convenient: soft for town; hard for touring at a press of the button. Barloworld happy to give me a test car for @ 2-3 hours; McGrath will not, but their test route goes to Audley RNP entry with salesman on board. Capercat; Too tecnical ... I thought you were an engineer? MK7 could be on the cards with MKV GTI resale values fair low. May spend more time investing to earn more investment income, and hold off until MK7 or Ducati Monster m/c. Not entirely convinced I could put up with manual for city driving, but manual better for touring ... more intimate feel. You guys are right in pointing out MK6 not entirely a leap & bound step forward. Still like the rear of the MKV over the MKVI. Definitely good to gain others perspective. Certainly not rushing into anything. Still very undecided. On a slight tangent ... been advised today that my employer now regards switching off Traction Control/ESC an O,H & S issue (unless car is bogged down as manual states).
Cheers.
WJ

[WhiteJames]

Thanks Johno,
Basically I went to two dealers (mine & Barloworld) and offer them a deal. My GTI + 10K for 3 door MK6 + Dynamic Suspension + 18" Huffs (Detroits) or extra 2K for 5 door. I'm a bit over leather & DSG. It was looking more like 20K plus or minus 2K. I spent more time interrogating my dealer, who advised me of corporate discount, but bridge the gap with a private sale (my dealer gave me 3K less than Barloworld on trade price). I have a week off in near future, so will take a MKVI out for a drive. BTW ... those two black R32's at Barloworld someone mentioned are still for sale (65K).

Cheers.
WJ

[GTom]

On a slight tangent ... been advised today that my employer now regards switching off Traction Control/ESC an O,H & S issue (unless car is bogged down as manual states).
Cheers.
WJ

Government is starting to treat employees like little children that need protection! :mad: But knowing what diagnostics some of your vehicles have might be easy to track???

Is it a guideline or procedure??? can't take you to court if it's a guideline lol

[isaw]

Colour code and a flash. Keep it for another 2 years the see what's in theprice range then. My guess a 6 month old r20 will be begging for s new owner!

[WhiteJames]

^ When I did my driver training over a decade ago, I had to ask why no TC/ESC on the LSD RWD's? Was told I had two choices ... (1) Learn to control the car; or (2) Back off. None of the cars for a decade had TC/ESC, only ABS on some models.
Cheers.
WJ

[Capercat]

I would imagine VW Dynamic suspension is similar if not the same as the Audi magnatec I tested in the TTS. It didn't feel as refined as my PSS10's, but then again I was riding on H&R sways.

[G-rig]

I reckon a Ducati monster + your GTI would be a good combo and you wouldn't lose any more in the short term. Up to you of course mate but seems like most people think it won't really be any different to what you have, especially in two years when you'd be in the same position again. Nice if you can get a new car every two years but I plan to keep mine a bit longer and got something i knew i'd be happy with for ages as i was sick of chopping and changing ideas in the past.. (ie buying something too expensive then too cheap, then a m/cycle only then no car at all, etc etc. Not that it's the same thing just costs a bit to change strategies).

[WhiteJames]

Read the review in the MOTOR Magazine Dec 2009 issue re: Mazda MPS -v- GTI MK6. Yes ... GTI MKVI upgrade incremental in every aspect of vehicle, MOTOR journos think worthwhile. GTI beats MPS 3 as better vehicle & also records better straight line performance times (times recorded on diferent days for each vehicle). 14.72 MPS3 -v- 14.58 GTI (DSG) for 1/4 mile dash ... bloody fast for a Toyota Corolla style hatchback ... faster than the Brock Group A from 20 years ago & not far off R32 times. Journos rate them dead even given the different testing days, but indication Mazda pulls harder with more torque steer evident. GTI slower around Wakefield track due to ECS unable to be completely disengaged - Mazda 1.14.4 -v GTI 1.15.2 @ Wakefiled same day. Prevention of disengagement of ECS is becoming a liability & O,H & S issue; also good for manufacturers as reduces desire for owners to track cars & then present them for warranty work. Maybe VW will provide a track edition like Renault did re Megane Pro-Cup Track similar to GT3. Interesting to see WHEELS magazine take on MKVI as WHEELS is aimed at the more conservative less sporting market. If GTI won in MOTOR, it should take out honours in WHEELS, I reckon. Adaptive Dynamics also adds weight to steering on GTI.

Cheers.
WJ

[WhiteJames]

Thought I'd throw GTI on www.carsales.com.au to see what sort of response I receive.

http://www.carsales.com.au/all-cars/private/details.aspx?R=7889185&__Qpb=true&Cr=1&__Ns=pCar_RankSort_Int32%7c1%7c%7cpCar_PriceSort_D ecimal%7c1%7c%7cpCar_Make_String%7c0%7c%7cpCar_Mod el_String%7c0&keywords=&__N=1216%201246%201247%201252%201282%204294962746% 204294962677%20898%204294898544&SearchAction=N&silo=1011&__No=30&seot=1&tsrc=allcarhome&__Nne=15&trecs=60&__sid=1238E73F94ED

Also found this prime example that has cost me $500 a drive:

http://www.carsales.com.au/all-cars/dealer/details.aspx?R=7839354&ref=Item&__Ns=pCar_RankSort_Int32%7c1%7c%7cpCar_PriceSort_D ecimal%7c1%7c%7cpCar_Make_String%7c0%7c%7cpCar_Mod el_String%7c0&__N=1216%201246%201247%201252%201282%204294962746% 204294962677%20898%204294898544&tsrc=allcarhome&__Nne=15

MKV GTI owners that are waiting on R20T probably should try the Audi S3 ... basically same car as the R20T will be, save for different packaging & suspension tune.

Cheers.
WJ

[just_quietly]

Thought I'd throw GTI on www.carsales.com.au to see what sort of response I receive.

http://www.carsales.com.au/all-cars/private/details.aspx?R=7889185&__Qpb=true&Cr=1&__Ns=pCar_RankSort_Int32%7c1%7c%7cpCar_PriceSort_D ecimal%7c1%7c%7cpCar_Make_String%7c0%7c%7cpCar_Mod el_String%7c0&keywords=&__N=1216%201246%201247%201252%201282%204294962746% 204294962677%20898%204294898544&SearchAction=N&silo=1011&__No=30&seot=1&tsrc=allcarhome&__Nne=15&trecs=60&__sid=1238E73F94ED

Also found this prime example that has cost me $500 a drive:

http://www.carsales.com.au/all-cars/dealer/details.aspx?R=7839354&ref=Item&__Ns=pCar_RankSort_Int32%7c1%7c%7cpCar_PriceSort_D ecimal%7c1%7c%7cpCar_Make_String%7c0%7c%7cpCar_Mod el_String%7c0&__N=1216%201246%201247%201252%201282%204294962746% 204294962677%20898%204294898544&tsrc=allcarhome&__Nne=15

MKV GTI owners that are waiting on R20T probably should try the Audi S3 ... basically same car as the R20T will be, save for different packaging & suspension tune.

Cheers.
WJ

Looks like Matt sold his car.
Good luck with the unknown. :wink:
Interesting to see what happens J.

[G-rig]

MKV GTI owners that are waiting on R20T probably should try the Audi S3 ... basically same car as the R20T will be, save for different packaging & suspension tune.


I'd wait :wink:.

[Capercat]

MAtt's is being sold by a dealer.

[triode12]

Hmm, GL with it. Hope this doesn't mean bye bye from another member from the forum.
I also thought the same - must be the adaptive dampers he's after.

From all accounts might not be much of a difference in drive but I guess time will tell (once we have a Mk6 GTI on a GTG) whether the XDL makes a difference on the street.

Wish I had the cash to buy a Mk6, would love to punt it. I'd hold off for the R tho. Would be much better once chipped vs FWD only (which most of us know about in Mk5).

Will they let you test run thru the RNP??
:lol:

Instead of purchasing a new car to get that...can't he put in after market adaptive dampers instead? Doesn't Tein make them?

[triode12]

Thanks Johno,
Basically I went to two dealers (mine & Barloworld) and offer them a deal. My GTI + 10K for 3 door MK6 + Dynamic Suspension + 18" Huffs (Detroits) or extra 2K for 5 door. I'm a bit over leather & DSG. It was looking more like 20K plus or minus 2K. I spent more time interrogating my dealer, who advised me of corporate discount, but bridge the gap with a private sale (my dealer gave me 3K less than Barloworld on trade price). I have a week off in near future, so will take a MKVI out for a drive. BTW ... those two black R32's at Barloworld someone mentioned are still for sale (65K).

Cheers.
WJ

Good grief! They have put up the price on them! I was the one who mentioned it. They were listed at $58K driveaway.

I attended the VW track day. The difference between VI and V are marginal at best. All the gushing over the VI is all marketing hype IMO - get one to test and you will understand what I mean - not worth trading in your V which you have spent much time, money and effort optimising. I would wait for the R20 (or Sirocco R -if it ever arrives) if you are really keen on a change.

[WhiteJames]

Don't plan on changing anything on my GTI ... the KW V3 coilover and small H&R bars is a fine combination. More of question of whether I change now for less money or much later on for MK7 for more quid. Most owners looking at the R20T appear to be annoyed at lack of traction with their 'chipped' GTI's. I don't plan on chipping anything - whether it be mine, MK6 GTI, R20T or Audi. Grip levels on my GTI are just fine. R20T will be a fine tourer with the extra weight. I have a week off work soon, so will organise some test drives to compare my MK5 with MK6: MK6 GTI Man & DSG, maybe Audi A3/S3 also. Second hand MKV GTI are a dime a dozen now, with 9,000 sold since late 2005. Second hand buyers of GTI have plenty of variety to choose from ... esp in Red, Black & Silver colours. White colour not so common in Sydney though. All good advice so far.

Cheers
WJ

[Hilton_K]

surley you can turn the ESC off in the new golf :iono: that would be a deal breaker in my books unless it is a LOT less intrusive compared to the MK5.

AUDI A3 would be the go if modifying with suspension etc. Money you save outright could go towards mods to make it just as good if not better than a stock S3, bit more of a sleeper too :wink:

[WhiteJames]

Mitch: Not to fussed on being able to completely disable the ESC ... not planning on doing any track/targa/hillclimb days; maybe occasional advanced driver day as a refresher & different perspective on what work offers. GTI offers enough slip with ESC on for public roadways imo. I drove an Audi A3 Manual around the tight twisties & was very impressed with its drive straight out of the box; much better than GTI imo ... less factory understeer & sat flatter in turns. Agree re: upgrading suspension on Audi A3 AWD to have something not too far off S3 for real world driving. Definitely feel the extra 100kgs of AWD 20T when throwing the A3 around like a rag doll compared to GTI. New MK7 Golf platform due on next iteration of Audi A3 in 2011 in Europe and probably 3-6 months later here in Aus; giving a good indication of what to expect with MK7 Golf/GTI. With exception of TT, S5 and R8 ... Audi's look a bit bland to me ... like the look VW better.

Cheers
WJ

[WhiteJames]

This is a link to a review conducted in North America ... deals with issues relating to the XDS (electro diff) and brake longevity:

http://www.golfmk6.com/forums/showthread.php?p=9840

Re: Options, have to agree with some comments made earlier that luxury options would have more importance to new buyers rather than second hand buyers. In this respect, imo would be more prudent to option a GTI with performance options ... 18" wheels, Xenon lights, Dynamic Suspension, LSD (in case of Renault Megane), etc.

Cheers.
WJ

[G-rig]

I have a week off work soon, so will organise some test drives to compare my MK5 with MK6: MK6 GTI Man & DSG, maybe Audi A3/S3 also.

Well I got the chance to drive a MK6 GTI Man yesterday, pretty nice. One thing i noticed is that the shift is a nicer than the mk5. It seemed shorter from the factory and very smooth, not as clunky as the usual 1st-2nd change. Doubt you would need to bother getting a short shifter at all.

Not sure if I was imagining it but the width of the car seems a bit smaller, or the inner door trim may protrude a bit more with the window/door controls up higher. The side 'skirts' do seem quite cheaply tacked on, an after market body kit would help. As far as the handling & suspension I've heard it is better than the MK5 from a few 2nd hand skid pan tests, and I took note that there is less body roll and feels good.

As a side note, I would consider retuning the R20 in a heartbeat if you were worried about the extra weight of AWD.

[WhiteJames]

Agree with you Greg except the side note at the end. Extra weight was in reference to corner handling, not acceleration or outright speed. As guys that participated in the MK6 GTI Track Day commented ... after riding with the professionals around the track, most come to the realisation what separates the men from the boys is ability to tackle a series of corners, rather than max speed down the straight. Similar thing with me ... when presented with two or three vehicles at work, I'd (like most others) would go for the lighter vehicle that was more tied down with stiffer suspension (VZ Commodore), rather than the heavier vehicle (BA Falcon) that had the brake peddle sinking to the firewall much sooner, was harder to chuck around carrying less corner speed also being less stable. I'm expecting a similar thing with the R20T with extra 100-130kgs over GTI. Ideally, would like a super light MX5 Mazda, but too impractical as a daily driver, okay as a second weekender. Found this other review this afternoon, which conflicts with the article in my immediate post to this ^ re: XDS. These guys thought the XDS worked a treat on the track, but did not supply any times in North American Automobile Magazine, unlike MOTOR Magazine Dec 09 - They did rate Golf GTI World Car of the Year:

http://www.automobilemag.com/features/awards/1001_2010_automobile_of_the_year_2010_volkswagen_g ti/index.html

Cheers
WJ

[WhiteJames]

Had a short test drive in two MKVI GTI's : Manual & DSG. Test drives were short distance, basically from Barloworld - Foreshore Drive - Botany Road - Return. In cabin NVH definitely superior to MKV. Probably more superior than anything under 100K. GTI feels like something much more expensive in terms of noise & vibration suppression. I like less NVH. The XDS feels barely perceptable coming out of corners ... MK6 definitely exhibits less understeer in & out of corners than MK5 & much better traction levels. The Manual version suspension felt softer, but better to drive than the DSG version. DSG version felt a bit stiffer, not sure if its tyre pressure or extra weight with different spring rate of DSG - v- Manual. Manual felt a bit laggy down low ... but this would be subject to me being a DSG owner and having to do all the work myself. I think manual aids in concentration levels on the road & less time is spent looking at dials ... change gears by feel & engine nosie level. Having spent time driving the MK5 R32, I'd rate the MK6 GTI better as a daily driver .. the NVH is just so good. If the R20T is going to be similar to R32 only with 20T motor as an upgrade, I think the MK6 GTI has bridged the gap relative to the chasm between the MK5 GTI -v- R32. Although improvements are incremental in most areas of the MK6 GTI, they appear worthwhile for around 10-15K change price imo. The suspension tune on the MK6 GTI is a fantastic blend of comfort & performance. Putting aside the added rigidity of the H&R sway bars on my ride, the new MK6 GTI isn't that much softer than the KW V3 coilover on my GTI (full soft settings) in terms of spring/damper feeling around town. Firmer MK6 only about 5% softer on buttometer in regards to spring/damper feeling compare to KW V3 - full soft. 17inch wheels/45 series tyres offer better ride ... only go the 18" option for bling factor. The MK6 FSI 20T feels stronger in the mid range than the MK5 ... apart from that, not a huge difference in power delivery. All-in-all, very pleased with the incremental improvements in the MK6 GTI. Feels much more refined than the Mk5 with slight step-up in performance due to better suspension tune & XDS. Salesperson Tracey Ryan is also advocating a 'part-out' come trade in time if I'm interested as it wouldn't vary trade price. No new stock until March/April ... 4-5 months away is plenty of time to ponder.

Cheers
WJ

[funny]

http://www.automobilemag.com/features/awards/1001_2010_automobile_of_the_year_2010_volkswagen_g ti/index.html

Cheers
WJ

Interesting read. Also interesting is their comment re bigger rear bar to reduce understeer. May not be such a big difference between rear-only bar Mk5 and Mk6, save possibly for slightly increased spring rate?
Sure XDL will help also, but that's more to do with going out than coming in.

[johno]

Matts car was bought from him at 40K by carlos who used to work at paul wakeling. he then sold it coz used to get pulled over by cops like twice per day. he sold it to dealer in melbourne for 40k who is now upped it to 44K. interesting.

[GTI_SS]

Matts car was bought from him at 40K by carlos who used to work at paul wakeling. he then sold it coz used to get pulled over by cops like twice per day. he sold it to dealer in melbourne for 40k who is now upped it to 44K. interesting.

That $4K mark up stinks.

Why would he get pulled over by the cops all the time? Must have been giving it some 'all the time'. No? The car itself doesn't scream out to police imo.

[Capercat]

Ok, we always knew the MK6 GTI would be a notch better than the MK5, but the main question is does it warrant the extra cash for an up-grade? I've been reading review after review, opinion after opinion even visited my local VW dealer, but I think a modded MKV is still the sensible choice vs a $15-20K MK6 change over. Extended warranty can still be had with the MK5's. Anyhow good luck to those who decide to make the switch, the main thing is that your satisfied.

[WhiteJames]

Rocco: This GTI does have extended dealer warranty - 200,000km/6 years - requires 6 month/10,000km service intervals and servicing at McGrath VW (Sutherland/Cambelltown). Eugene: I can feel the change in dynamics from MK5 to MK6 with the thicker rear sway bar doing its work relative to the front sway in the MK6. Front end feels softer on turn with a bit more grip. I'd say the exra 2mm thicker in diameter rear hollow/tubular sway bar of the MK6 isn't as stiff as the small H&R solid adjustable sway bar on 'soft' setting. Earlier reviews were indicating that the XDS worked pre & post apex. Pre-apex aiding the MK6 GTI to drag the vehicle into the turn by braking the inner front wheel slightly - Post-apex to limit wheel-spin on exit helping steering on the way out of the turn. XDS only engages brake lightly ... so any additional brake pad wear may counter the saving in tyre wear ... much of a muchness in terms of cost (tyres -v- brake pads). I do agree that the MK6 feels less engaging then my upgraded MK5; but MK6 is another class above in refinement - that includes the R32 in addition to MK5 GTI. In terms of outright corner grip, esp when pressing on ... I'd say my MK5 would still have the measure of the MK6. The front H&R sway bar keeps front end so planted on corner exits. XDS also has me thinking? Q. What if the R20T has a similar setup: XDS + AWD. Demands of the driver would be even less so & vehicle may also be another step removed from a totally connected feeling. In respect to daily drivers in public, I think the new technology is a great addition ... saves people from themselves (and others). Still trying to come to terms on the rear end look of the MK6, everywhere else MK6 looks fab. I think that the with the MK6 brought to market earlier than expected ... the MK7 upgrades will also be incremental rather than a huge leap forward. Very difficult to improve on such a good thing to begin with. MK7 most likely will have stop/start technology, lighter weight with more exotic materials ... maybe even smaller displacement motor (1.8 litre turbo).

Cheers
WJ

[WhiteJames]

Have the price on carsales @ $34990 all inclusive (KW V3 Coilovers, H&R arb's, 18" Huff Wheels):


http://www.carsales.com.au/all-cars/private/details.aspx?R=7889185&__Qpb=true&Cr=10&__Ns=pCar_RankSort_Int32%7c1%7c%7cpCar_PriceSort_D ecimal%7c1%7c%7cpCar_Make_String%7c0%7c%7cpCar_Mod el_String%7c0&keywords=&__N=1216%201246%201247%201252%201282%204294962746% 204294962677%20898%204294898544&SearchAction=N&silo=1011&seot=1&tsrc=allcarhome&__Nne=15&trecs=59&__sid=1238E73F94ED

Will endeavour to take a manual GTI for an extended test drive (2-3hrs) to gain a better perspective between new & old.

Cheers
WJ

[triode12]

Rocco: This GTI does have extended dealer warranty - 200,000km/6 years - requires 6 month/10,000km service intervals and servicing at McGrath VW (Sutherland/Cambelltown). Eugene: I can feel the change in dynamics from MK5 to MK6 with the thicker rear sway bar doing its work relative to the front sway in the MK6. Front end feels softer on turn with a bit more grip. I'd say the exra 2mm thicker in diameter rear hollow/tubular sway bar of the MK6 isn't as stiff as the small H&R solid adjustable sway bar on 'soft' setting. Earlier reviews were indicating that the XDS worked pre & post apex. Pre-apex aiding the MK6 GTI to drag the vehicle into the turn by braking the inner front wheel slightly - Post-apex to limit wheel-spin on exit helping steering on the way out of the turn. XDS only engages brake lightly ... so any additional brake pad wear may counter the saving in tyre wear ... much of a muchness in terms of cost (tyres -v- brake pads). I do agree that the MK6 feels less engaging then my upgraded MK5; but MK6 is another class above in refinement - that includes the R32 in addition to MK5 GTI. In terms of outright corner grip, esp when pressing on ... I'd say my MK5 would still have the measure of the MK6. The front H&R sway bar keeps front end so planted on corner exits. XDS also has me thinking? Q. What if the R20T has a similar setup: XDS + AWD. Demands of the driver would be even less so & vehicle may also be another step removed from a totally connected feeling. In respect to daily drivers in public, I think the new technology is a great addition ... saves people from themselves (and others). Still trying to come to terms on the rear end look of the MK6, everywhere else MK6 looks fab. I think that the with the MK6 brought to market earlier than expected ... the MK7 upgrades will also be incremental rather than a huge leap forward. Very difficult to improve on such a good thing to begin with. MK7 most likely will have stop/start technology, lighter weight with more exotic materials ... maybe even smaller displacement motor (1.8 litre turbo).

Cheers
WJ

So would it be correct to say that you feel that the MkV is more a "driver's car" while the MkVI (being more refined + having more safety features) to be a better car for the unexperienced or less experienced driver?

[G-rig]

Q. What if the R20T has a similar setup: XDS + AWD. Demands of the driver would be even less so & vehicle may also be another step removed from a totally connected feeling. In respect to daily drivers in public, I think the new technology is a great addition ... saves people from themselves (and others).


That's a good point, if these cars get too refined you may lose some of the fun factor/drivers car feel, but a few mods would probably give you the individual feel & toughen it up. If its too easy to drive it will just be like any other car, still remember the DC2R was a hoot as it had a fairly raw feel.

[johno]

good price

[G-rig]

You should buy it Johno!

[WhiteJames]

Thanks guys. The suspension on the MK6 GTI rides & handles very well on 17 inch wheels ... probably don't need dynamic chassis electronic suspension on 17" inch * 45 series tyres. With 18" wheels, dynamic chassis electronic suspension could be on the cards due to rougher ride of the 18" * 40 series combo ... probably set on soft for inner city & rougher B-grade roadways with 18" wheels. 17" inch wheels best wheel for GTI for this rugged country. I will organise another Manual GTI test drive soon to gain a better apreciation of strengths & weaknesses between my upgraded MK5 and std MK6. First dive of the MK6 had me thinking this really is the 'World Car of the Year' - fantastic blend of economy, space, refinement, safety, image, ride & handling. Everything most drivers would want or need (okay maybe not sporting enthusiasts). The XDS imo is basically another iteration of ESC. In this respect the MK6 would be safer to drive, as opposed to my MK5, which would require some trial brake to achieve a similar effect in tighter corners. F1 race cars had one wheel braking tech several years ago prior to it being banned. I'd say my MK5 offers about 70% of the refinement against the new MK6 GTI; wheres as the MK6 GTI would offer about 90% of my MK5 GTI in handling in the lower-moderate speed corners (at higher speed mine would come into its own, esp if KW V3 are wound back up to half/half compression/rebound). The rear end of the MK6 does look better at a distance. In regards to pricing: Private to Dealer prices range from about 30K - 36K ... the upgrades on my GTI are worth @ 3.5K-4.0K as stand alone items imo. I think most manufacturers agree that street cars are fast enough these days. Next wave will be cutting down on weight & developing fuel saving tech to save on fuel. Even Ferrari & Maserati agree that its no longer acceptable for their products to have real world consumption of 22l/100km ... this is where Porsche is ahead of the game ... as is the Golf/GTI.

Cheers
WJ

Cheers
WJ

[mljchan]

You should buy it Johno!

yeah johno, you should buy it.
i hear you're missing the boost of the GTI?! :yikes:

[WhiteJames]

Extended Test Drive - MK6 GTI Manual:

Barloworld VW handed me the keys to their Silver Manual MK6 GTI with 1300km on the odo.

Route:

Botany - Crounulla - Kurnell - Cronulla - City - Watsons Bay - Maroubra - Barloworld VW. Travelled 115km @ average speed 38kph using 9.9 litres of fuel with oil temp @ 106 degrees taking 3 hours including short stops.

Earlier I mentioned that the MK6 is more refined than the MK5. This is still the case.

In respect to the XDS: This system really works a treat for 180 degree turns around roundabouts and taking off around corners. More than just a gymic. The MK6 understeers much less than a stock MK5 GTI and the ESC light rarely activates. The XDS makes enthusiastic driving a breeze ... no need to be an expert to extract good corner speed. MK6 GTI makes driving much less dramatic in contrast to my upgraded MK5 GTI, which requires well judged entry speed and only starts to come alive when leaning a bit harder on it in turns. 180 degree rounabouts in my GTI will have the GTI sitting a bit flatter, with with inside well wanting to break free and traction control/ESC cutting in more abruptly offering much more drama. I'd say it'd be nothing in it in terms of cornering speed between the two; its just that the MK6 is so much more refined like an AWD & XDS is so proactive rather than reactive as in the case of the MK5 ESC/Traction Control System ... has me thinking why would you need an AWD (wet weather excepted as it was a very hot day on test). MK6 GTI has definitely bridged the gap to the R32 in this respect.

COURSE CHIP BITUMEN resonates a lot of noise into the cabin ... not sure if its the brand of tyre or soulnd deadening.

The MANUAL gearbox was both a joy & disappointment. After 3 hours of mainely City & Urban Fringe driving, I grew tired of driving in the city, but not tired from driving the manual gearbox. The let-down was that the electronic throttle is working for & against you. Give the MK6 GTI manual some revs off the line, and it feels as if the electronic throttle is determining its own level of throttle contrary to what your right is doing, which is to drop the revs to prevent tyre slip. Vice versa ... I stalled the manual at very first take-off from Barloworld. I'm sure that I would have stalled it another half to two dozen times, but the electronic throttle was helping in this regard, second guessing my inputs. In a nutshell, the electronic throttle takes away the connection between driver & vehicle at the expense of prolonging the life of the clutch & possibly preventing any form of abuse or driver ineptitude. Trying to deter the limit of adheasion on initial take was just too difficult to acheive. Nothing like old school manuals I've owned in the past ... or even the MK5 GTI/R32 Manual versions. Technology really is starting to rule.

SUSPENSION on the MK6 indicates that low speed compression & rebound is about 5% softer than my KW V3 coil over on full soft. Driving up the graded twisting hills of New South Head Road from City to Watsons Bay, where the roadway is a littered with scarred bitumen and concrete base, the MK6 felt geared a bit more towards ride than handling. The sway bars on the MK6 GTI did a great job of keeping the vehicle sitting flat, but I would of liked a bit more high speed rebound & high speed compression damping for this roadway ... this is where the KW V3 comes into its own & worth the spend imo.

The KW V3 preset factory high speed compression & full soft rebound settings still does a much better job of sorting out the scarred section & undulations, even though the ride is a bit more terse & stiff legged than the MK6 GTI. The biggest assest and liability of my own ugrade MK5 GTI is the H&R sway bars. On the smooth roadway, esp at higher speeds, they perform fantastically. A slow city speeds on one wheel undulations, they are a liability to ride and constant remind the occupants that the chassis is another notch up in rididity.

Putting aside the fact that the MK6 GTI is new - I'm thinking I call a comparison between my upraded MK5 GTI and the MK6 GTI a draw.

(MK6) Refinement & Ease of Driving/Cornering -v- (MK5 KW/H&R) Crude but Sportier Chassis/Better Suspension Control.

Sales Executive Tracy Ryan is always pleasant to deal with & upfront on pricing (no deals just yet), but gave me car with 1/4 tank of fuel. Had to fill up during test, but was reimbursed cost of fuel. Still coming to terms on the rear end of the MK6 Golf.

Pushed the price of mine back up as I reckon I'm undervaluing the upgrades on mine or the vehicle in whole as a package.


At the end of the day, visited Audi Sydney Dealer. For those looking to upgrade to an AUDI S3 3-door Manual, they have a White coloured version going cheap due to sale falling through ... otherwise its going to be a demo. In addition, the AUDI 20T no longer comes in FWD or MANUAL ... only AWD & DSG. Lesser A3 models come in FWD & Manual or DSG.

No rush to sell now ... still deciding. Proably ask a premium for mine now that I have spent a bit more time in the MK6 GTI.

Cheers.
WJ

[johno]

agree with you man. the mk5 is undervalued on second hand market. mk5 is still awesome as an all rounder everyday fun car. if you want performance wait for the R.

[WhiteJames]

In addition:

The aircon in the MK5 has greater efficiency than the MK6. The top dash fan is gone on the MK6, which struggles to pump at the same rate as the Mk5. Noticed that my aircon could run at 24 degrees, whereas had to have Mk6 at 21-22 degrees for similar effect.

On the other hand, the front door speakers in the MK6 are mounted in the bottom front of the inner doors, not exhibiting any vibration or tinniness that the MK5 does with the front top mounted speakers. Another subtle, but noticeable refinement on the MK6.

Definitely want window tint on any car in this country ... keeps things cooler again.

The manual gearbox on MK6 in terms of gearchange is better than the MK5, but still think 2-3 and 4-5 changes are a tad long and gearbox not quite rifle bolt in motion.

Johno: If the R (not longer called R20T) has a similar manual as the MK6 GTI + any form of XDS, it will be fast, but less inspiring to drive. Maybe like the Nissan GTR, bloody fast, but a bit Play-Station like to drive. Wait & see. Maybe I'll wait for next gen Audi A3 Quattro or MK7 GTI or new 120i BMW.

Cheers.
WJ

[triode12]

In addition:


Johno: If the R (not longer called R20T) has a similar manual as the MK6 GTI + any form of XDS, it will be fast, but less inspiring to drive. Maybe like the Nissan GTR, bloody fast, but a bit Play-Station like to drive. Wait & see. Maybe I'll wait for next gen Audi A3 Quattro or MK7 GTI or new 120i BMW.

Cheers.
WJ

This is what I surmised from those early reviews of the mkVI. The same thing the reviewers wanted to put across and had to do so very tactfully.

[WhiteJames]

Okay ... maybe I may not sell my GTI and wait for the MK7 GTI. Seriously considering a comfortable change from KW V3 to HPA KW SHS coilover kit. Better wait & see what new pricing is like on HPA KW SHS.

Cheers.
WJ

[G-rig]

Good move WJ, I honestly don't think it's that big a step up, and the car's value will take a dive after a year or two again anyway.

Can't you adjust the KW V3 to be more comfortable (or higher) with it's host of adjustments? the H&R SPC/KW V1/SHS are great for performance/ride on the street. I still believe you can't have everything, which is why a separate track car with linear springs would be the go.

You may find this interesting too, mk6 may have trouble putting power down with all the electronic gizmos:
http://www.vwwatercooled.org.au/newforum/upload/showthread.php?t=37337&page=3

[WhiteJames]

Greg: I found a similar thing. I tried to judge a few take-offs thinking I could find the threashold of traction, but always felt that the electronic throttle was making its own decision contrary to what I doing with the accelerator pedal - vice versa - Only stalled it once when cold. After that, I'm sure the computer was determining the right amount of revs to prevent stalling. Not sure on the downchange with blipping the throttle. Revs at times didn't seem to follow-up my prods on downchanges to maintain revs at times. I gues the MANUAL MK6 GTI is becoming more like a DSG in regards to throttle & clutch actuation. If the MANUAL is not going to do what you tell it to do ... may as well go the DSG. No good for chipping a MK6 GTI. Bit a let down really. Similar to the statement made by Guy Harding @ APR. Electronic throttle actually slows spirited take off of the line. I guess it will prolong the life of the gearbox and clutch. The correct way to change gears is to slow down - change - then speed up again. Still like the MK6 GTI ... just think its worth 5K-10K more than mine, rather than 15K-20K.

Cheers.
WJ

[johno]

you'll miss that nearly shit your pants feeling in your mk5 when you hit the kanga valley and macq pass.

[WhiteJames]

Picked up a copy of U.K. CAR Magazine while having my morning Latte.

CAR Mag indicate the following regarding the newly released VW MK6 'R' AWD for the Euro market, the replacement for the R32:

1. Haldex is basically similar to R32 ... in that its has to detect wheel slip or near wheel slip prior to shuffling drive rearwards.
2. The electronic dynamic suspension looks to be std equipment ... in addition .... the 'hard' setting on the 'R' will be softer than the 'hard' setting on the GTI ... evidence that the 'R' is aimed at the executive grand tourer driver, rather than outright STI/EVO slayer.
3. Engine in 'R' is not the same as the MK6 GTI. New 'R' receives old GTI (Pirelli) motor which is the same as the motor in the Audi S3.
4. Even though the suspension on hard will be softer than the GTI on hard ... steering will be firmer than GTI when dynamic mode in sport.

Journalists are indicating that the ''R' will be a more luxurious version of the R32 with the words 'plush, comfortable, fast and all-weather competent'. I guess, basically a softer version of the Audi S3.

Cheers.
WJ

[funny]

2. The electronic dynamic suspension looks to be std equipment ... in addition .... the 'hard' setting on the 'R' will be softer than the 'hard' setting on the GTI ... evidence that the 'R' is aimed at the executive grand tourer driver, rather than outright STI/EVO slayer.
3. Engine in 'R' is not the same as the MK6 GTI. New 'R' receives old GTI (Pirelli) motor which is the same as the motor in the Audi S3.
4. Even though the suspension on hard will be softer than the GTI on hard ... steering will be firmer than GTI when dynamic mode in sport.


Could it be that the softer damper on the R takes into account added weight and AWD nature of car (i.e. GTI needs stiffer damping to help keep power to ground and avoid XDL chewing up pads; R AWD + weight so wheelslip is compensated for anyway and added weight helps to offset higher spring rate maybe needing less damper control)?

[WhiteJames]

Eugene: I'd say other way around. The heavier Golf "R" would require more rebound & compression damping to account for the extra weight. The Golf 'R' will only be @ 1400kg or 60-70kg more than the GTI. No mention of the XDS on the new 'R' ... Haldex AWD is in lieu of FWD XDS. The Haldex system will not be like Audi longitudinal system with 40/60 split between front & rear drive. Rather like the outgoing R32 system, maybe only more proactive (perhaps like Haldex Gen II aftermarket system). Article states that the dampers are specifically tuned for 'R' and are designed to give a plusher more comfortable ride than the GTI in hard 'sport' setting. The extra weight has been accounted for. Journo states that 'R' will not be as raw as the R32 or as stiff as the GTI ... more of a comfie executive grand tourer express. The only real difference in motor from the Audi S3 is chip tune & exhaust. Golf 'R' will come with option for 19" x 235 wheel/tyre combo, which should give a better ride than the 18"*225 combo on R32 as sidewalls are very stiff on 225*18" tyre. Brakes sound similar to Audi S3 with upgrade to 345mm/310mm discs. I guess the Golf 'R' is targeting a slightly different market than the Audi S3 or GTI, which may give a sportier ride/handling package than the 'R'. Me ... I'm pricing up a set of HPA KW SHS to see if its worth swapping over in the near future.

Cheers.
WJ

[funny]

Eugene: I'd say other way around. The heavier Golf "R" would require more rebound & compression damping to account for the extra weight. The Golf 'R' will only be @ 1400kg or 60-70kg more than the GTI. No mention of the XDS on the new 'R' ... Haldex AWD is in lieu of FWD XDS. The Haldex system will not be like Audi longitudinal system with 40/60 split between front & rear drive. Rather like the outgoing R32 system, maybe only more proactive (perhaps like Haldex Gen II aftermarket system). Article states that the dampers are specifically tuned for 'R' and are designed to give a plusher more comfortable ride than the GTI in hard 'sport' setting. The extra weight has been accounted for. Journo states that 'R' will not be as raw as the R32 or as stiff as the GTI ... more of a comfie executive grand tourer express. The only real difference in motor from the Audi S3 is chip tune & exhaust. Golf 'R' will come with option for 19" x 235 wheel/tyre combo, which should give a better ride than the 18"*225 combo on R32 as sidewalls are very stiff on 225*18" tyre. Brakes sound similar to Audi S3 with upgrade to 345mm/310mm discs. I guess the Golf 'R' is targeting a slightly different market than the Audi S3 or GTI, which may give a sportier ride/handling package than the 'R'. Me ... I'm pricing up a set of HPA KW SHS to see if its worth swapping over in the near future.

Cheers.
WJ

I see what you mean now - think my mind got a bit twisted there. Seems strange that VW would make the R more tourer than the GTI, I would have thought they would have learnt from the ease of tyre rub on stock R32.
Then again if it's a case of GTI < R < S3, I can see why they're pitching it there - so as not to take business away from the harder edged S3?

Let me know about the HPA - still haven't made my mind yet about suspension and yet to have a test drive in Ian's Cross R to see what it's like. I may join you in a GB for the HPA if it makes sense, with the dollar good I wonder if it's now cheaper to get it from US rather than closer to home?

Anyone in Sydney have a GTI with HPA + stock everything else that I can take for a spin? Maybe Yousnooze but he has wheels & F&R bars too i think.

[G-rig]

The Golf R sounds pretty good WJ, seems like some fairly good info there. Do you think Haldex Gen IV is confirmed?

I'd still get one when i've had enough of my car, would be just as good i reckon as long as the ESP and XDL don't chew up the power.

Would be a better car than the GTI without XDL, and the Pirelli/S3 engine is wporth it.

Still think the electronic/sports suspension would be softer than most aftermarket kits and not sure i'd want to pay extra for it, but would have to test it as well. Although going OEM is good and most suspension kits have side affects as well as warranty problems. Perhaps that and 19" wheels would be a good combo.

[WhiteJames]

Eugene,
I've PM'd apmitchell74. He states not much in the HPA KW SHS from a sale perspective; better deal with HPA direct in Canada re: price. Email sent to HPA, who are a bit hit & miss on email queries. Also sent Alissio @ City Performance same day (last Saturday); he will return email to me with local price. On top of that, sent YouSnooze a PM seeking his guidance after the day long GTG & several months of ownership. Its takes about 3 months for a clear perspective on ride/handling when it comes to thoroughly assessing suspension upgrades. See what transpires. VW Golf 'R' should be good ... basically a grown up R32 regarding increased refinement. Seems like VW is pitching the 'R' at the executive market, rather than the boy racer market ... a softer & more refined Audi S3. Greg: Not sure on the Haldex IV kit. The electronic dynamic suspension will most likely be a std feature on the 'R' Golf. The electronic suspension on the GTI in normal mode automatically moves to sport mode over a certain speed ... something like 100-120kph. A safety feature I guees. Steering & throttle weight also changes when moving from normal to sport.

Cheers
WJ

[funny]

Another interesting Q (or 2) will be:
a) how long does the magnetic (assume this is how it's done a la other brands) damper system last?
b) how much to replace?

Might be a bit more than the standard damper setup i think cost wise...

Edit:
Keep me in the loop WJ.
Want better suspension but need the clearance so I can't slam much or at all.

[saad]

WJ: So you will be selling your V3s? I was buying Frenchie's HPA's, but then the wifes pregnancy etc made that a no go for him! Im still after some coilovers though, but if your selling your V3s, perhaps too harsh a ride for everyday use?, although I do/will be tracking my car occasionnally.

[WhiteJames]

No worries Eugene. If HPA have enough interest, they can ship over a pallet of HPA KW SHS kits). The dampers in the MK6 Golf 'R' are not magnetic type (Audi/Ferrari/HSV). They manually adjust the compression & rebound. May have a small electric motor like the Tein Euro EDFC system (costs $4000). Warranty would cover for first 3 years/100K km. Otherwise you could pull them out and fit aftermarket kit.

[WhiteJames]

WJ: So you will be selling your V3s? I was buying Frenchie's HPA's, but then the wifes pregnancy etc made that a no go for him! Im still after some coilovers though, but if your selling your V3s, perhaps too harsh a ride for everyday use?, although I do/will be tracking my car occasionnally. Yes ... If I go the HPA KW SHS kit ... the KW V3 will be up for sale for @ 2.2K. The KW V3 is much more suited for roadway conditions in Canberra & for occassional track use. The HPA KW SHS are better than stock for track use, but still not really suitable for track as they are 5-10% softer than the KW V3 on full soft. KW V3 set on 50%/50% low speed compression & rebound, coupled with race or OEM type linear springs (compared to other brands) are liveable for Canberra and would be fab on the track ... bugger all roll, dive or sqwat. Bump up the KW V3 to 80-90%, and they will be rock hard for faster tracks like Eastern Creek or Philip Island. KW V3 my pick for everyday road driving & occasional track days/targa/hillclimbs.

Cheers
WJ

[WhiteJames]

Ordered one HPA KW SHS coilover kit today. Called Chris @ HPA. Paid via internet banking - direct international transfer ... it was all very easy. HPA price is $1095 USD + $375 USD shipping (UPS or Fedex) ... Local Price: $1,630 AUD (91.33 buy USD/AUD + $20 bank fee) excluding taxes. Budgeting another up to + 15% for local import taxes for est cost of $1800-$1900 landed to my front door. HPA KW SHS should arrive late next week, hopefully.

Cheers.
WJ

[funny]

Wow. Fast decision. Let us know how much the import slug is.

[SleekY]

u'd prob get away with the customs duty..

i got mine landed to the door @ $1,600.. back when dollar was about 80c or around there.. however i got the kit also @ the waterfest price $895 US...didn't do anything with Customs etc and it also was ordered on a Thurs and was @ my door on the following Monday.. farking fast

time to update ma signature!

[WhiteJames]

I'm sorry I missed Waterfest. Wasn't until I drove Frenchie's R32 that made it clear in my mind I wanted a more comfort/sports based suspension system. HPA KW SHS offers more comfort & handling than the OEM R32 or GTI suspension ... win/win situation imo. In addition ... NVH is much better than OEM suspension. I'm betting that the new MK6 'R' would be aiming for a ride handling package just like the HPA KW SHS ... doubt it will occur due to cost measures. Biggest concern is that mechanic doesn't damage anything else when installing this kit. HPA do not have any HPA KW SHS in stock, so this one will be built in Germany this week I'm told, hence the slight delay. Eugene: If I had to organise a GB, I'd be waiting months. I know what GB's are like. In addition, for those buying sway bars, just save yourself the drama and pay a bit more for the H&R sway bars. No drama with NVH or fit.

Cheers.
WJ

[G-rig]

Good stuff WJ, I can see how you'd eventually get annoyed at too firm a ride and not much point having the best suspension if you don't track it.

Still happy with my choice, just need to get around to those rubber pads for the tug'n release, just to get it spot on.

[Jig]

I guess selling the GTI is definitely out of the equation now WJ.

Greg, I thought you would have gotten those rubber pads installed already. Your a patient man for putting up with that sound.

[funny]

Eugene: If I had to organise a GB, I'd be waiting months.

No probs.
What's the lead time for the build & shipping over?

[G-rig]

I guess selling the GTI is definitely out of the equation now WJ.

Greg, I thought you would have gotten those rubber pads installed already. Your a patient man for putting up with that sound.

Haha hey Jig, I'm not patient at all but can't really organize much at the moment but will get around to it soon! It's not that bad but not quiet like stock.

[WhiteJames]

Jose: I will stand firm on price at 35K without OEM wheels & suspension as I haven't taken off carsales.com.au yet. Otherwise I keep it and install the HPA KW SHS and keep it at least until the MK7 GTI arrives in 2013. If I sell now ... have to look at either MK6 GTI with incremental improvements ... or ... Golf 'R' which is more than I'm comfortable spending on a new car. Neither car is a compelling investment for me in the next 6-12 months. Probably will not do anything until new 'R' arrives just to compare. Could of bought that Audi S3 2 door for excellent price I mentioned a few posts ago.

Not being 'chipped up', I reckon I can get 240,000km good driving before any sort of rebuild (engine/turbo), esp with 7500km service intervals. Advantages of not having a an ECU upgrade. I'd like Derek @ Eurotech APR to do next intallation ... but his workshop is too far away from my home. ECS are excellent, but get the shits bad when you front up with the same stuff purchased off the net as he distributes (sign of globalisation I guess). City Performance could be worth a look with all the work they have done on ap's turbo R32. Wouldn't use Muller again. There is a guy that specialised in BMW, Merc & Audi at Taren Point ... may try them as they appear to work on lower volume with higher pricing, which should ensure a better installation job imo. Try to keep away from the mass service production line mechanics if I can. Just concerned that nothing is damaged when suspension changed over.

Cheers.
WJ

[Rev 555]

Ordered one HPA KW SHS coilover kit today. Called Chris @ HPA. Paid via internet banking - direct international transfer ... it was all very easy. HPA price is $1095 USD + $375 USD shipping (UPS or Fedex) ... Local Price: $1,630 AUD (91.33 buy USD/AUD + $20 bank fee) excluding taxes. Budgeting another up to + 15% for local import taxes for est cost of $1800-$1900 landed to my front door. HPA KW SHS should arrive late next week, hopefully.

Cheers.
WJ
James with a bit of luck you will escape the taxes as mine did. I just got mine installed and I paid exactly $1636 landed and the kit comes directly from KW Germany not via Canada. HPA no longer carrying stock and just doing customer orders. BTW I took it for a test run on the GTG last Saturday and I am impressed. Fingers crossed for you!

[Frenchie]

Good move WJ.....

[WhiteJames]

Good to hear Rev555. The HPA KW SHS is the best kit going around in terms of: value - comfort - handling. Esp for local conditions. Thinking of going all the way up from Cronulla to Mona Vale to have Dereck @ APR European Autotech due to the installation. Another interesting point of the new MK6 GTI with the new Audi derived EA888 TSI motor is that its camshafts are chain driven. The MK5 GTI EA113 Volkswagen motor has belt-drive camshafts. The belt drives would have to be replaced every 60-80K km, whereas the chains on the EA888 should last the life of the motor ... In the longer term, should cut down on maintenance costs (MK6 -v- Mk5). Chain drives can be noiser in some cases. Both Falcon & Commodore have chain drive 6 cylinders. Most Jap fours have helt driven camshafts. The new Golf 'R' will have the older Pirelli/Audi S3 EA113 motor that is also belt driven in addition to a bit of turbo lag. I think for city use, as in Frenchie & Jig's case, the V6 R32 is more suitable, with linear power delivery from down low. Same thing with Jig's supercharger kit ... linear power from rest to go for ease of use around town.

EDIT: Forgot to add earlier on my test route re: MK6 GTI ... the std suspension was fine on test route until I hit New South Head Road from City to Watsons Bay. This winding section that is a compilation of both uneven concrete & scarred bitmen, some of both in a single lane, had me thinking that the dynamic electronic suspension would of been good to firm the wheel control up a bit. MK6 GTI still sat flat chasing the hills downwards, but the ability to dial up a some extra compression & rebound damping would come in handy occassionally. In normal mode, the electronic dampers automatically go into sport mode above a certain speed (100-120kph?).

Cheers.
WJ

[funny]

WJ, i remember seeing you mention HPA SHS is not INOX line (can't find the post) but HPA site mentions that it is.

Love to have the KW Street Comfort but looks like $700USD difference according to HPA site.

[WhiteJames]

Eugene: HPA KW SHS don't make a 'Street Comfort' for GTI. Street Comfort basically run Koni Sport dampers at the rear. HPA are half right ... the front of the HPA KW SHS are inox ... the rear look to be black metal. HPA KW SHS could ride better than the Street Comfort is the comfort runs Koni Sport damper tuning. Koni Sport on full soft are a tad firmer than Koni FSD ... HPA KW SHS around the same as the softer Koni FSD in terms of firmness. Good for the rougher Sydney roadways & rougher sections of the RNP.

Cheers.
WJ

[funny]

Re: INOX, could be but KW website shows V1 and Street Comfort both with one silver and one black damper. V1 and SC both listed as INOX line, esp the V1. Could be that SHS is a modified V1?

Sure the SC is Koni sourced? Would have thought KW would keep damper technology all the way across their line. One dislike is difficulty with their infinitely adjustable rebound. Would prefer clicks. Ease of access is another, but must have something to do with their damper design that doesn't allow mounting like most of the others.

[Capercat]

Wow James, that would make it your third set of suspension on your chipless GTI. Goes to show that handling counts for so much compared to power.

Driving to work this morning and a new WRX STI was up my ass, however I didn't take the bait. Anyhow I knew down the road there was a sweeping tight right hand turn so I made the point not to brake. Lost him around the turn he didn't seem too imperessed as he wasn't expecting it so he speed up my ass again. Too late point proven.

[WhiteJames]

Rocco: Its the whole package you're after ... not just outright power. What I'm doing with my MK5 GTI, the experts at VW HQ have done with the MK6 GTI improvements ... Closer to neutral handling characteristics, slighter firmer springs & dampers, stiffer rear sway bar and a bit more tech like XDS thrown in. Note that the power of the MK6 GTI has not be increased by much. VW engineers are of a similar opinion and I ... its the entire package your after. Rocco: Any chance of scoring some tomatoes from your old man ... been a while since I made my own marinara pasta sauce.

Cheers.
WJ

[WhiteJames]

Sure the SC is Koni sourced? Would have thought KW would keep damper technology all the way across their line. One dislike is difficulty with their infinitely adjustable rebound. Would prefer clicks. Ease of access is another, but must have something to do with their damper design that doesn't allow mounting like most of the others. Eugene, I've been told that Koni used to own a controlling interest in KW. Once Koni was bought out by the Yanks, KW went out on their own to specialise in coilovers. Having done this, I think the technology in KW, moreso the valving & valve adjustments, are Koni based. That's just my opinion. KW seem to give a Koni type of ride compared to rival Bilstein/H&R coilovers.

Cheers.
WJ

[WhiteJames]

This EOI has taken a twist. Sold the White James GTI today. Vehicle was sold with all the goodies - Huff 18" wheels, KW V3 coilovers, H&R sway bars. Vehicle endured the dreaded www.stateroads.com.au mechanical inspection required by the finance co. prior to taking mortgage over the vehicle. GTI passed the inspection with flying colours. Inspector spent 2.5 hours inspecting the vehicle with 10 minute test drive.

It was all a bit sudden ... I received a call from the new owner 10-15 min after I paid for the HPA KW SHS coilover kit. Owner was enthused with the GTI, which has sorted out the problem of selling the car ... but created another problem in that I have a fully paid HPA KW SHS coilover kit arriving from Germany next week ... with no GTI to install the kit into!

Aiming to purchase:

White 2010 MK6 GTI - 5 door - manual - cloth - 18" huffs - dynamic electronic suspension - factory tint on 3 rear windows + dealer tint on front two windows - ipod MDI connector.

Thought I'd give the DSG & Leather options a miss this time around. Considered Xenon swivel head-lights ... Dealer reckons halogen just fine & Xenon cost 1K to replace in the event of damage. So look at giving the Xennon's a miss also. New vehicle & specs with corporate discount has me @ 10-15K mark to upgrade to the MK6 GTI.

What you're opinion on specs guys?

Anyone want to buy a brand new set of HPA KW SHS coilovers (comfort/sports) for @ $1600-$1800 (not sure on price until they actually arrive in Aus re: taxes/duties etc)?

Cheers.
WJ

[funny]

WJ, I will probaby be interested in the SHS, just need to check cashflow.
I call 1st dibs once you know the landed price.

[funny]

Vehicle was sold with all the goodies - Huff 18" wheels, KW V3 coilovers, H&R sway bars. Vehicle endured the dreaded www.stateroads.com.au mechanical inspection required by the finance co. prior to taking mortgage over the vehicle. GTI passed the inspection with flying colours. Inspector spent 2.5 hours inspecting the vehicle with 10 minute test drive.


So what did the inspector say about the mods?
And I assume this isn't equivalent to an engineering inspection for a certificate?

And is the lucky buyer on here?

[Capercat]

Aiming to purchase:
White 2010 MK6 GTI - 5 door - manual - cloth - 18" huffs - dynamic electronic suspension - factory tint on 3 rear windows + dealer tint on front two windows - ipod MDI connector.


Congrats James, good to see you went with the 6MT :thumbsup: now let the fun begin.

[G-rig]

The 6mt is real nice on the MK6, I thought it had a short shifter but was stock (probably as good or better than mine with the Forge SS). Should last a long time without the fuss.

[WhiteJames]

Thanks guys. The new owner has recently arrived from England on 5 year work VISA. He's in the finance & insurance industry and has had plenty experience with BMW & VW being a former owner of a UK Golf GTI. Not sure if he frequents this forum, but looks like he will most probably have the vehicle serviced by Derek @ European Autotech, Mona Vale (as advised by his friends & me).

The www.stateroads.com mechanical inspection that went for 2.5 hours in my car wash bay & involved:

1. Electronic hand held device like a stud finder - didn't ask him what it did, but look liked it would detect if any rust or bog or both in panels of vehicle. Every panel was checked.
2. Battery & alternator test with some gauge which also powered his lighting device.
3. Brake fluid sample was taken and pressure tested in a small device for any air I guessing.
4. Electrics; like power windows, air-cond etc.
5. Motor was run from 30-40min stationary while jacked up front left nearside. Leaks will not develop until motor has been warmed up properly. At the same time all the suspension components, drivline, CV joints, undcarriage & subframes were checked for damage. Fuel pump check by virtue of car jacked up on one side.
6. Gearbox/clutch - check with brake on and acceleration at slow speed in addition to leaks.
7. Engine bay & boot check for panel damage & items & serial no's, compliance plates etc.
8. Round a bout way of interogating the owner to sus out reason for selling & place of abode to ensure no rebirthing/accident damage.
9. Test drive - 10min.

Inspector stated he was both a panel beater & auto-electrician in former lives. Inspection well worth the $200-$300 for any potention buyer, whether buying privately or through dealer.

Cheers.
WJ

[saad]

Congrats james, will be interesting to see your long term thoughts on the MK6. Im not trying to decide between some Sachs or the Bilstein SS10 coilovers. Decisions decisions

[WhiteJames]

Went to 3 different dealers over the weekend re: MK6 GTI.

1. McGrath
2. Barloworld
3. Denlo

Prices for same spec GTI all within @ $50 of each other. In other words ... no one is discounting the new model GTI. Difference in cost basically boiled down to cost to tint 2 x front windows. Not a lot of current stock left atm or for the Jan 2010 (2009 model) deliveries. 2 x dealers said order now for Mar/Apr 2010 delivery ... otherwise May 2010 if ordering in Jan 2010; 1 x dealer (Denlo) said expect May 2010 when ordering now ... 6 months wait ... wtf? A delivery date of May 2010 would coincide with the Golf 'R' delivery set for @ May-Jul 2010 delivery I'm told. The 50% depreciation schedule probably doesn't help this time of year ... although this will be phased out end of year. GTD Golf would be out by then ... could take a look.

Had a look at the Mini Cooper S/S Chilli/JCW ... Mini have great resale value which is important to me. Good quality little car that looks fantastic with great BMW-Puegot 1.6 turbo motor I'm told. Too small for my needs, seat adjustment cheap & nasty like lesser BMW's and seats were uncomfortable for me ... not enough side bolstering & too firm set bench. Driving position was okay. Corporate deals on BMW or Mini for top 500 companies sales rep tells me. Nothing for Gov't workers.

Visited Renualt dealer ... No Megane's Sport R26 F1 coming to country ... new Megane Sport Cup won't be hear until end of 2010. Renault Clio Sport Cup was a fantastic vehicle to sit in with Recaro seats ... not to look at though. Interior is much bigger than exterior suggests ... unlike the Mini. Clio as all the good gear like Brembo brakes, but Honda type high reving motor not suitable for ease of use. Overall a very impressive car which suprised me. Sales rep even told me off the bat she'd knock off 3K off rrp. I'd take the decals off ... a bit over the top imo.

Edit: The standard 118TSI Golf had an impressive interior with the cloth seats very similar to the seats in the GTI in terms of shape & bolster. Texture of cloth different to GTI ... difficult to say which is better. Leather option in 118TSI basically gets you the same seats as the GTI/R32.

The HPA KW SHS is in the process of being shipped over from Germany atm.

Cheers.
WJ

[WhiteJames]

Put down my deposit for the MK6 GTI today.

Specs:

GTI, 5 Door, White, 18" Detriot Wheels, Adaptive Chassis Control, Factory tint on 3 x rear windows + Dealer tint on 2 x front windows, DSG auto gearbox, Ipod MDI, Euro plates.

I changed my mind in respect to the MANUAL gearbox after a test drive of both MANUAL and DSG.

The test drives of MANUAL and DSG were conducted back to back on the same morning and encompassed drives along parts of the Royal National Park (RNP), which includes a blast in the tight twistes in each GTI (Yes ... I had them both for a little while in making my decision).

It was clear that the MANUAL gearbox is electronically actuated with the throttle, overriding the drivers inputs on initial take off. Rev the motor up and the electronics reduce the revs & overrides your inputs.

Basically the electronic throttle on the MANUAL will reduce revs to about 4,000 rpm, making its own decision on best application for a clean & fast take off with bugger all wheelspin ... No wonder the acceleration times for the MANUAL and DSG are equally ranked at 6.9 sec to 100kph in the MK6 GTI. In this respect, the manual in the MK6 has become moreso like a DSG gearbox ... nothing like the MK5 GTI/R32 manual imo that gives the driver complete control. The MK6 GTI MANUAL shift is much better than the MK5 GTI, but gear nob in the MK5 GTI is better ... fatter & rounder.

These observations are consistent to MOTOR Magazine's Performance Car of the Year race driver Cam McConville's assessment of the manual GTI when comared to the Renault Clip Cup R27 ... throttle lacks feel & response before reacting with the driver's inputs once underway.

In respect to purchasing a GTI with a MANUAL gearbox ... I'd want complete control in every respect, otherwise what's the point of driving a MANUAL gearbox.

Also noted that shift length & feel is slightly different from vehicle to vehicle after driving 2 x MANUAL GTI's.

After the back to back test runs through the tight twisties:

I can confidently say that the MK6 GTI handles much better than the MK5 GTI. The XDS electronic diff really works fantastically in the RNP environment, reducing understeer, adding stability and confidence to the drive experience. The updated suspension also helps handling in the MK6 ... VW have been listening to me regarding the MK5 GTI. NVH another level above, but I believe that in due course, similar rattles are likely to arise as in the MK5, but probably not to the same extend as the MK5 GTI.

The question on everyone's mind ... Is it faster than my MKv GTI with KW V3/H&R small sway bars? Hard to say. At lower speeds and tighter corners, I'd be backing the MK6 GTI with XDS. Faster speed corners or race track, my money would be on my old MK5 GTI. Which is the better vehicle to own? The MK6 GTI of course.

Long wait for the delivery as I have specifically requested a 2010 build/2010 compliance GTI ... March/April 2010.

Cheers.
WJ

[funny]

Good choice WJ.
Looks like there will be more and more electronic overhead on manuals in the future in the name of improving things but detracting from the experience.
Nonetheless good for non-manual drivers like me as DSG is offered!

So what's the ride between now and then?

[WhiteJames]

Eugene: It'd be a mix.

1. Naked road motorcycle (most of the time).
2. Standard work Falcon/Commodore/380 when on call (from time to time).
3. Good old train that cost me nothing to use (or bus/ferry which also cost nothing) ... lucky I live just @ 1 block of the railway station.

At times it is difficult not having a vehicle: esp in wet conditions, for long distance travel or carrying loads/passengers. Teach me the value of humility for 4 months I guess.

I was loath to order a new car and not have mine sold prior to delivery ... end up with one too many vehicles.

Received reasonable price for the GTI ... up to @ 10K more than VW were offering for trade-in price, so it was a good time to sell imo.

I get the feeling that the MANUAL gearbox is slowly being phased out. For those that have a MKV MANUAL GTI/R32, better look after them & treat them well ... the MKV could well be the last of the 'raw' sports Volkswagens to ever exist.

Cheers.
WJ

[johno]

ahh well whitey you can't have the same wife forever hah? the mk5 generation was the engineers car. now its the greenies/designers/commonsense car. you'll miss the raw animal of the mk5 i think.

[G-rig]

Put down my deposit for the MK6 GTI today.

Specs:

GTI, 5 Door, White, 18" Detriot Wheels, Adaptive Chassis Control, Factory tint on 3 x rear windows + Dealer tint on 2 x front windows, DSG auto gearbox, Ipod MDI, Euro plates.


Congrats WJ, I'd probably get DSG if i was to order a MK6 as well, sounds like the manuals have lost some of the fun factor (must be to do with the electronic throttle control?)

Will look similar to your old one with those options/colours!

[WhiteJames]

Thanks guys:

Call me boring, but I like the colour White. Considered Red or Black. Red too loud & Black hard to keep clean. The black softens up the straight & boxy lines compared to the White, esp around the rear tail lights where they intersect with the metal. White is less prone to fade, easy to keep clean & easy to match colour if repairs are required. The white is a bit flat compared to the metallic colours. White imo is also easier to sell 2nd hand.

Having driven both the MK6 GTI DSG and MANUAL back to back twice over: In the city from Barloworld & via RNP from McGrath Sutherland VW ...

I suspect that the FRONT SPRINGS in the MK6 DSG model are higher rate than the MANUAL version. I;m guessing it'd be due to the extra weight of the DSG gearbox. The DSG MK6 GTI felt better tied down for both city & country driving in terms of handling & body control, with a slightly terser ride (only marginally). the DSG vehicle felt to be a better overall drive than the MANUAL. Subtle differences ... yes; but enough to notice imo between DSG and MANUAL. This became more apparent on the second drive in the RNP when both driven back to back along the same route.

KW coilovers come with slightly higher front spring rate for the DSG version Golf compared to the MANUAL, I'm told ... different part numbers.

The MK6 GTI is claimed to be more like the MK5 R32 in handling characteristics, according to some VW insiders. This is not the case:

The MK5 R32 suffles power front to rear with a notable understeer biased chassis when powering uphill through the tight twisties. This front to rear effect is felt by the driver when punching the R32 up a challenging piece of tarmac.

The MK6 GTI is biased towards slight understeer all the way through the corner with a slightly bigger rear sway bar than the MK5 GTI (+2mm hollow over MK5 I'm told). The difference with the XDS electronic diff on the MK6 GTI when powering up steep tight twisty hills is that it feels that the inner front wheel brake applies brake pressure to the inside wheel to pull the vehicle into a tighter line, while at the same time maintaining a slight amount of understeer bias right way through the corner. This makes the MK6 GTI a very capable & fluid vehicle out in the rear world, but a very different drive than the awd R32.

XDS improves safety & confidence and would bridge the gap to the Mk5 R32 up a series of tightly woven uphill corners in terms of outright pace. Uphills drives is where the MK5 GTI has traditionally suffered the most when judged against the R32. I'm always impressed at the lack of ESC intervention on the MK6 GTI ... the added technology of the XDS diff is proactive rather than reactive as in the MK5 GTI.

In contrast, my old MK5 GTI with KW V3 and small H&R bars was a different beast to both the former two. The near neutral chassis balance had the chassis pivoting around its central axis, with much more slip/yaw rate coming from the rear of the vehicle to negotiate a corner. On my old GTI, trail braking could sometimes have the rear step out if not careful.

In contrast ... the MK6 GTI has a lot less slip from the rear, but uses the front brake to drag the vehicle into a tighter line around the corner ... a bit like a bobcat or army tank, while at the same time maintain slight understeer all the way through the corner.

Comparing the MK5 R32 - Mk5 GTI (OEM) - MK5 (H&R sway bars) - MK6 GTI - higlights similar vehicles with very different ways in how they go about negotiating bends and putting their power down. Leaving the purely stock OEM suspended MK5 GTI aside ... it would come down to a matter of preference regarding the remaining three vehicles.

MK5 GTI KW V3/H&R:

Crude & rude with the rear end doing a lot more steering & some seesawing between the front & rear sway bars around a neutral chassis balance. This vehicle is most likely to offer trail braking oversteer into corner & a flick of the steering-wheel during cornering easily induces rear end oversteer for prolong periods.

MK5 R32:

Solid surefooted drive that is understeer biased in OEM form. A definite feeling of front to rear power suffle when powering on. Traction control reactively cutting in moreso than the newer MK6 GTI, due to older technology, despite the AWD advantage.

MK6 GTI:

A slightly understeer biased chassis balance compared to the notably understeered biased OEM MK5 GTI chassis tune. Proactive XDS electronic differential that offers left & right turn individual braking similar to F1 race cars (prior to it being banned in F1) which works a treat on larger diameter roundabouts and medium & faster flowing corners. XDS may cost time in the tighter roundabouts & very tight corners, pulling the vehicle in tight, but slowing it due to the one wheel brake application. Big step up in NVH with the MK6 Golf ... Less NVH is good. Chassis does feel a tad stiffer than the MK5 Golf.

I've included a link to carsales.com of what my GTI will look like (minus leather) ... sexy:

http://www.carsales.com.au/all-cars/demo/details.aspx?R=7853431&__Qpb=true&Cr=3&__Ns=pCar_RankSort_Int32%7c1%7c%7cpCar_PriceSort_D ecimal%7c1%7c%7cpCar_Make_String%7c0%7c%7cpCar_Mod el_String%7c0&keywords=&__N=1216%201246%201252%204294962746%20900%20429496 2677%204294898544&SearchAction=N&silo=1011&seot=1&tsrc=allcarhome&__Nne=15&trecs=24&__sid=1238E73F94ED

Cheers.
WJ

[camerooney]

Received reasonable price for the GTI ... up to @ 10K more than VW were offering for trade-in price, so it was a good time to sell imo.

I get the feeling that the MANUAL gearbox is slowly being phased out. For those that have a MKV MANUAL GTI/R32, better look after them & treat them well ... the MKV could well be the last of the 'raw' sports Volkswagens to ever exist.

Cheers.
WJ

Congrats on the purchase.
Trade-in prices from VW are very poor aren't they. Even with an optioned vehicle they struggle to offer a decent price without a fair bit of haggling.

RE: the manual yes I agree entirely. I've been looking for a manual GTI for the past few weeks and there are very few in the brighter colours (white/red)

[WhiteJames]

The HPA KW SHS coilover kit has been SOLD.

^camerooney: During my visits to dealers, I have that the only stock left is generally the darker Black & Graphite colours with 17" wheels & cloth interior. Most dealers are saying that the White is the new Black. Red has always been a favourite amongst GTI buyers.

Cheers.
WJ

[johno]

64K for your GTI (referring to carsales add). holy moly that is steep.

[WhiteJames]

^ Dead right Johno. May be wiser to purchase a Volkswagen Golf 'R' with higher level of standard equipment than a fully optioned Volkswagen GTI. Wouldn't pay 64K for the GTI in the carsales.com.au advert. Mine will be a good deal cheaper.

Trade price for mine was 24K from 2 x VW Dealers taking into consideration that extra mileage & wear/tear would be put on my old MKV GTI prior to trade in Mar/Apr 2010. I sold it on carsales.com.au for 34K. The new MK6 GTI with DSG - Tartan Cloth - Adaptive Chassis Control - 18 Detroit Huffs - Euro Plates - Tint - set me back 47K drive away ... Changeover ended up being 13K from old to new.

If I take into consideration major service, replacement tyres, brakes, timing belt, etc and extended 3 year warranty from VW ... changeover cost closer to 10K. Made sense for changeover now rather than later imo.

My MK5 GTI with DSG - Leather - Tint - Euro Plates, cost me 48.5K about 3.5-4.0 years ago ... so new MK6 GTI ended up being cheaper than the MK5 GTI.

The run in for the MKV GTI was very gently for first 5K 3-3.5 years ago. Last long distance trip I drove was just under 3,000km in 10 days ... the MKV GTI didn't use a drop of oil, which was suprising for a turbo motor (unchipped GTI).

Also test drove a 1.4 litre 118TSI Golf ... great for around town with no turbo lag ... but top end punch left me a bit wanting. 1.4 turbo running at the top end of the rev range failed to excite and probably not ideal for swift country B- grade road overtaking manouvres enchancing safety. 118TSI Golf rides similar to the GTI and optioned with Adaptive Chassis Control and Sport Pack (17" wheels, GTI type seats, fog lamps, etc) still makes for a compelling buy. Just prefer the added torque & power of the 2.0 Turbo TSI.

Cheers.
WJ

[DRMAT]

The www.stateroads.com mechanical inspection that went for 2.5 hours in my car wash bay & involved:

1. Electronic hand held device like a stud finder - didn't ask him what it did, but look liked it would detect if any rust or bog or both in panels of vehicle. Every panel was checked.


Paint thickness tester... it will tell them if the car has been resprayed as a resprayed panel will almost always have thicker paint than factory. Bog is an easy find because the gauge won't work unless there's metal underneath. The report stateroads repair would have listed the paint thickness of every panel. If you want the next step up (probably not worth it on a newish car anyway) they can do engine compression tests etc as well.

Congrats on the new purchase.

[iluvbrownale]

Paint thickness tester... it will tell them if the car has been resprayed as a resprayed panel will almost always have thicker paint than factory. Bog is an easy find because the gauge won't work unless there's metal underneath. The report stateroads repair would have listed the paint thickness of every panel. If you want the next step up (probably not worth it on a newish car anyway) they can do engine compression tests etc as well.

Congrats on the new purchase.

yeah, i spent $289 to have them find out half the M3 i was about to buy had bog in it. great little device and something you'd not be able to do yourself, no matter how good a driveway mechanic you might think you are. will be using them again for the SL i'm looking at. Rust is the major no-no with the 107 Mercs.

[johno]

changeover money ain't everything. but you got a good deal WJ. hope the new 6 rocks your socks off... :cool:

[WhiteJames]

Good price I received for my GTI was based on my personal view that any mods put onto a vehicle, should be modifications that can easily be de-installed come time to sell. Suspension & wheels are two of the easier mods to install & remove, without providing any major additional wear or tear on the vehicle.

Another advantage of my GTI is that it had a stock motor/ECU, ensuring that the second buyer is receiving a motor & turbo that has the best chance of going the full distance. Not being 'chipped' or extensively 'tracked' has an advantage come time to sell.

Happy with the price of the new MK6 GTI. Told my local dealer McGrath Volkswagen - Sutherland that this was the 2nd Volkswagen I intend to purchase from them in @ 3.5 years and all servicing will be performed at that dealership, making plenty of opportunity for dealer to make back any discount(s) they gave me. Esp with mine being serviced every 6mths or 7.5K, whichever comes first. In addition, my sister may look at a Tiguan early in 2010.

RRP for the MK6 GTI on road was @ 52.5K. 47K drive away was a big saving. No need to shop around as I was happy with the price, esp for a newly released model.

Being a 'fun nazi' that I am, specifically told the dealer that the front window tint had to be legal level, regardless if they end up a lighter shade than the factory tint of the rear windows. I opted for the factory tint to save the rear heat demister peeling off the tint over the longer term.

It's reassuring to find out that the new MK6 GTI is winning most of the accolades in the Motor Magazines & Net Reviews.

So far:

www.drive.com.au performance car of the year for <$60,000.
Wheels Mag overall winner over the Mazda MPS3 (2 car test).
Motor Mag overall winner over the Mazda MPS3 (2 car test).
Top Gear Australia Mag - Car of the Year.
CAR Magazine (United Kingdom) Performance Car of the Year - (Hot-Hatch Segment Only).

Very happy about this ... cements my decision as being the right decision as the best value all rounder money can buy. Journos views are mirroring my views in this respect.

Run in for the MK6 GTI will be very gentle for first 3-5K km. Perhaps a light cruise via the RNP and few trips to the Gong via the freeway. Not too concerned about varying revs as I believe its better to keep the revs low and vary the load on the motor. Varying the load on the motor will be done by going up and down gradients ... but not too steep for too long. It's important to load & unload the motor, giving it time to cool down after a short period of being under load. I think a higher average speed on a cool day is also important, as the intake & intercooler are receiving plenty of cool fresh air, to keep the turbo & cylinder temps down as far a possible. Important to keep the turbo 'on boost', rather than 'off boost'. Off boost causes the motor to labour working the turbo, rather than the turbo working the motor. 2-3k rpm is a nice sweet spot in the turbo boost level to work the motor without engaging piston ring flutter. The MK6 GTI has stronger piston rings than the MK5 GTI, but still pays to take it easy for a while for a street driven vehicle.

Drive down to the cooler Southern Tablelands/Jindabyne may also be on the cards, hoping to get ambient temps as low as 0 - 15 degrees for Apr/May 2010. Most important thing imo is not to rev the motor too hard too fast to induce piston ring flutter, letting oil escape between bore & piston and failing to give the rings time to mate with the linning of the bore. Also important to gradually increase the load once the motor is run in, working up slowly & gradually to a higher crescendo ... no different to any person hitting the gym for the first time in a while ... have to work up to the heavy weights slowly & gradually to save any injury.

The MK5 GTI I just sold was run in a similar way - 3/4 freeway and 1/4 city driving - At times with cruise control engaged for periods of time. No blown DV's. Used a very little oil around town on frequent short trips & on a blast up the tight twisties ... no oil used on longer extended trips like Sydney to Brisbane.

Cheers.
WJ

[WhiteJames]

Thinking about adding the following one of two options to my forthcoming MK6 GTI:

(1) Rear View Camera ($500).
Shows a colour picture & guidelines on the radio from a camera at the rear of the GTI.

or

(2) Park Assist ($1400)
Parks vehicle automatically with driver controlling only the gas & brake (Not something I'd use very often, if at all) ... but ...
Front & rear parking sensors are included.
Auto-downing mirrors are included when reverse is selected.
Picture on radio with silhouette of vehicle is show on the radio.

So in a nutshell ... its $500 for a RVC ... or ... extra $900 for park assist RVC + plus auto-downing mirrors & front & rear park sensors.

Starting to think that the auto-downing mirrors when reverse is selected & front & rear park sensors (in addition to the RVC) is worth the spend for extra $900 on top of cost $500 cost of RVC alone.

Rear only park sensors on the MKV GTI/R32 were a $700 option.

Have about 1 week to decide before GTI is built.

Any opinions on these options?

Cheers.
WJ

[DeanCorp]

Definitely (2).

My friend has a Tiguan, that thing is pretty damn cool! Here I am reverse parking in the old fashioned way, when that thing can do it for you! It's truly amazing!

[chris32]

I'm a sucker for gadgets.

Go for option 2 park assist, I think its an awesome piece of technology. It would be one of those things you wouldn't use very often but would impress your passengers.

But if you decide to only get the camera i've got one retrofitted on my car and I don't think I could live with out it, especially with all the extra guide lines you get in the mark 6 I think its defiantly worth it.

[G-rig]

I'd get the camera, it's very good value compared to trying to retro fit one later, and is great at night. Park Assist would be a fun gimmick to show people but if you know how to parallel park what's the point, and is probably aimed at the large vehicles.

Personally i wouldn't go bananas on options as you don't get much of it back later (as was seen when the mk5 GTI's values took a dive)

[DeanCorp]

I'd get the camera, it's very good value compared to trying to retro fit one later, and is great at night. Park Assist would be a fun gimmick to show people but if you know how to parallel park what's the point, and is probably aimed at the large vehicles.

Personally i wouldn't go bananas on options as you don't get much of it back later (as was seen when the mk5 GTI's values took a dive)

I somewhat agree, but $900 over the time you plan on keeping the car is not much. This is something that can't be retrofitted later. I would definitely get it.

[G-rig]

Good point Dean, buy if you tick too many boxes you may as well get a Golf R which would br better for a bit mor and probably lose less.

[WhiteJames]

Some clarification was provided today.

RVC - $500.
Park Assist - $1400.
RVC + Park Assist = Optical Park Assist - $1900.

Dealer says you cannot run the RVC & Park Assist together ... one or the other regarding the radio display. Park sensors still beep, but you either have the RVC or the computer based silhouette.

In this respect, it may be better to just go for one item, rather than both.

Agree on the options ... Car depreciates to @ 60 % in three years ... Options depreciate closer to 90% in 3 years.

Park sensors & auto-downing mirrors would come in handy for tigher CBD parking spots. Saves time more than anything when parking.

Its annoying having to drop the left rear mirror prior to parallel parking to save kerbing an alloy wheel. Always takes a moment to lower this mirror.

Main concern is animals & kids walking behind the vehicle & kerbing an alloy.

Cheers.
WJ

[johno]

what ever happened to using the FORCE

[WhiteJames]

Handling prowess of the GTI:

Read the following article & watch the video for www.drive.com.au performance car of the year < $60,000.

http://www.drive.com.au/Editorial/ArticleDetail.aspx?ArticleID=67523

The Golf GTI MK6 negotiates the slalom course faster than any other vehicle bar the Nissan GTR. Yes ... the GTI was faster around the cones than the BMW 135i and Porsche Boxster.

Earlier in the piece, during the 2006 Wheels Handling Olympics, the MKV GTI did a terrible job on the slalom ... too soft & too much understeer. Part of the reason I embarked on finding the best aftermarket street package for a daily driver. How things change in the matter of 3.5 years & a mild update on the same/similar vehicle. This sort of handling really impresses.


May speak to the dealer tomorrow about 'park assist'. See what transpires.

Anyone know much about 'Bluetooth'. I don't use a mobile phone that much, but could be worth having if fitted from factory for not much cost.

Cheers.

[WhiteJames]

Ended up adding another option onto the MK6 GTI - Park Assist for $1462 ($62.00 stamp duty @ 5% after 45K, rather than 3% for < 45K cost of vehicle).

Alternatively:

Rear Only - Dealer Fitted Park Sensor was $890 + RVC is $525 = $1415.

I've seen how rough some dealer installations can be, so factory fitted park assist helped sway my decision in it's favour. May also make the vehicle more saleable down the track.

Here's a video of 'park assist' and RVC in action:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96qgHWYIkPw&NR=1

Cheers.
WJ

[DeanCorp]

Awesome WJ, you made the right decision :)

[camerooney]

I think you'll be glad having it fitted at factory.
Its very neat technology, I'm wondering though what happens if you pull up next to a spot which is too tight (even if you know it is). What will it do? Will it beep and tell you you won't fit? Or will is have a go anyway?

There are a two main bluetooth kits available. The basic kit is $495 and allows you to answer/disconnect calls (via steering wheel) and voice dial I think, with the sound coming through the cars speakers of course.

The second is the premium kit which is only compatible with RNS/RCD510's and is around $2k. This integrates into the dash, copies your contacts across so you can use the MFD to browse your phone, make and disconnect calls and everything shows up on the RNS as well. Prices courtesy of Mav's site.
http://www.my-gti.com/1665/volkswagen-golf-gti-genuine-accessories-list-a6-mark-vi-mark-6

[WhiteJames]

Thanks Cam,

My dealer, McGraths VW Sutherland, stated the Bluetooth kit was $895 as a dealer fitted option only. No rush to decide on the Bluetooth, being a dealer fitted accessory. Who is quoting $470, I may have to have it fitted later on down the track once vehicle is in my possession for that price.

In respect to the 'Park Assist', it may be a point of difference when selling or trading in. It was painful to watch the Dealer Manager hand write up another 'whole' contract. Also difficult to ask for another discount, given that you're already contractually oblidged and only making a slight variation to the original contract. Dealer left the final price after deposit paid open in case I want to add anything else to the contract (RVC/Bluetooth). They are still happy to rip up this contract should I change my mind and go for the Golf 'R'.

Happy with the reviews on the Mark GTI so far, new tech motor, new fuel pump & fuel pump actuator, XDL and the earlier slalom run in www.drive.com.au. The new Mark 6 GTI still worked out cheaper than my Mark 5 GTI (DSG, Leather) I purchased 4 years ago; even now that it is optioned over & above the Mark 5. 48.4K (MK6) versus 48.5K (MK5).

Edit:

In regards to the size of the parking spot ... their are sensors on the both sides of the front & rear of the vehicle. The sensors allow for a parking spot not less than 1.1 metres greater than the length of the GTI ... that's 55cm front gap & 55cm rear gap. Any less than 55cm each side, the computer does not register the parking space as suitable & will not activate.

Cheers.
WJ

[GTom]

Thanks Cam,

My dealer, McGraths VW Sutherland, stated the Bluetooth kit was $895 as a dealer fitted option only. No rush to decide on the Bluetooth, being a dealer fitted accessory. Who is quoting $470, I may have to have it fitted later on down the track once vehicle is in my possession for that price.

You don't need bluetooth, just answer the call while you're driving!

jks :biggrin:

[G-rig]

Dealer says you cannot run the RVC & Park Assist together ... one or the other regarding the radio display. Park sensors still beep, but you either have the RVC or the computer based silhouette.




Here's a video of 'park assist' and RVC in action:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96qgHWYIkPw&NR=1

That's pretty cool WJ, never seen park assist in action.

The video shows the guy has Camera and park assist. Does park assist replace the normal sensor option adding them to the front of the car as well? Is ACC extra again now you got all the sensors?

RE: bluetooth, i'd just fit the Skoda kit later, places like European Autotech can do it or can buy it yourself from the UK and find someone to install it (think EA can too). Cost of the kit depends on the dollar but is around $600-700 and fully integrates properly. Those dealer nokia kits don't work with a few phones.

[camerooney]

Thanks WJ.
I didn't realise it was so accurate. Would definitely come in handy in some of the tighter spots. As far as resale I think it would count for something. I had a lot of views on carsales (selling my Comfortline) even just listing that it had a SatNav unit and Sunroof. The little things like that can sometimes be the deciding factors for some people.
:smile:

Hmm perhaps they were quoting the Volk-L bluetooth kit.
http://www.govolkl.com/what_is.htm

To the best of my knowledge its like the basic kit I described above but with the addition of bluetooth audio streaming playback which only works on certain phones anyway.

I was getting the $495 figure from Maverick's my-gti MKVI accessories list page. I figured that might be the Nokia unit.
I've installed an aftermarket Parrot kit which was only $400 shipped, integrates with the steering wheel and has voice activation. Quite a bit cheaper than factory options. Install was all plug and play as well. I suppose it just depends on what you need. I don't get a lot of calls when I'm driving so opted for the cheaper unit. There are other aftermarket solutions available.
http://www.vwwatercooled.org.au/newforum/upload/showthread.php?t=31461

[WhiteJames]

Haven't viewed VWWatercooled for a while now. The Watercooled links provide really useful information on Bluetooth. Very well written.

For around $700-$800 I'd probably give the Bluetooth a miss as I will not be working from this vehicle.

Suprising it costs so much for a GTI ($895). My sister purchased a VW Tiguan from the same dealer yesterday, and had Bluetooth thrown in for much less than $895 to secure the sale; Something like $470.

The dealer indicated that front park sensors cannot be retro-fitted by the dealership once the vehicle has arrived. Only rear park sensors can be retro-fitted for $890. This does not cause the side mirrors to auto-down when reverse is selected and has no silhouette radio display indicating proximity to the object.

Park Assist includes front & rear sensors & auto-downing side mirrors when reverse is selected, in addition to the self-park gizmo. The side sensors that are perpendicular, 90 degrees to the front of the vehicle (f & r), also have coloured bars at each of the four corners of the vehicle, shown on the radio silhouette display. Hopefully this helps to avoid kerbing the 18" Detriot Wheels, as the sensors are very close to & face out to the same direction as the Wheels when they approach the kerb side gutter.

Viewing several youtube videos of the RVC, the RVC alone seems to be a little obscure in the shade and probably not all that clear at night or in foggy conditions.

The 'Park Assist' is computer generated silhoutte as seen on the youtube video when the driver puts the GTI into Drive at the end of the viewing. The park assist will therefore work in any condition, day or night, rain, hail or shine.

The ACC is a set price option at $1500, and the front or rear park sensors makes no difference to their wiring throughout the Golf GTI.

ACC would be more beneficial for those opting for 18" wheels, as comfort can be selected when things get a bit choppy (B-grade roads/in town) on the 18"/40 series harder riding wheel/tyre combo. Additionally, once the dampers wear down losing effectiveness after about 80K-100K, you could run them in 'sport' all the time to regain that new car/new damper feeling.

Cheers.
WJ

[WhiteJames]

Reading the golfmk6.com. forum 'quality problems' thread, indicates that there were a few issues with the earlier build Mark 6 GTI's: (1) Noisey Manual gearbox (n/a to me) (2) Rear Water Washer Reservoir leaking (2) Crankcase defects requiring an engine replacement. Most appear to be pre < October 2009 builds. Hopefully the issues are sorted out by now, as Wolfburg has been building the new Mark 6 GTI for about 10-12 months now.

The slimmed down shape at the front and rear of the Mark 6 GTI has been done to make the Golf look wider & lower than the MK5 Golf. Suggests that maybe the Mark 7 will be wider again in terms of floor plan. The look is definitely moving closer to the VW Passat concept & Sicorrro design.

In respect to outlaying an extra 10-15K for a Mark 6 Golf 'R', still not convinced that it will offer extra value over the fresher GTI:

Cons of Golf 'R':

Fuel delivery/cam-follower problems with older EA113 motor ... old technology with camshaft belt requiring periodic replacement.
Turbo Lag.
Weight - @ 160kg - 180kg heavier.
Extra service cost of extra Haldex differentials.
Looks - not distinctive enough from suboardinate models.
Less economical.
Price.
0-100kph and 1/4 mile times yet to be confirmed ... based on Audi S3, 14 sec dead 1/4 mile ain't that much faster than the GTI.

Pros of GTI:

EA888 Audi derived motor as in the TT and Sicorro with fuel pump/pressure issues likely to be resolved (involves change 4 lobe camshaft actuator for cam follower).
XDL (or XDS) electronic diff bridges the gap between the traction levels of the GTI and Golf 'R'.
Less turbo lag with wider spread of peak torque.
More economical.
Requires 95 RON fuel for lower compression EA888 motor ... not 98 octane as the EA113 motor requires due to higher compression.
Priced cheaper.
Less weight than the Golf 'R'.
Acceleration times: Independent tests from Journo's are yield times as quick as 6.3 sec and 6.5 sec 0 - 100kph (DSG). Volkswagen record their times with full tank of fuel & 200kg on board (or two heavy set Germans). In other words, it may not be that much slower in the real world than the Golf 'R' in dry conditions due to the stated performance times, less weight, and less lag of the MK6 GTI.
Now built in Germany ... not South Africa or China which may be the case in the future.

Cheers.
WJ

[funny]

Good choice with the Park Assist WJ.
Having the side sensors should help avoid pillars and such.

My newly (<6mths) redone rear bumpers after a soft rear-ender have been gashed again on the left side due to my parents brick pillar exiting driveway. :eyebulge::cry::cry::cry: Very disappointed would be an understatement. Thankfully no metal/fixed panels damaged, so i'll go fixing it again sometime this year.
Sensors normally work real well, but it was next to pitch black with heavy rain and got nothing til pillar was hit, then the sensor went ballistic. Have backed out of the driveway millions of times...
Figured the rain probably shortened sensor range perhaps. Should be no issue with the side sensor giving more coverage.

There's also some aftermarket sensor strips (no holes, non-ultrasonic solution) which have CANBUS integration available online with good reviews and better coverage than standard rear facing only sensors. Won't give you mirror dip though - my wife uses it ROUTINELY now that I have fixed 2 kerbed rims.

[WhiteJames]

Eugene,

Have you installed 'the kit' yet?
Looking forward to your objective assessment with the rear only H&R sway bar.

Cheers.
WJ

[WhiteJames]

IN addition, may be an issue with my stated weights based on the NZ Golf 'R' brochure. Difference in weight maybe a little as 130kg between the two at the very least ... stated weigh varies from countury to country. Standard options vary from country to country. In short:

Pros of Golf 'R':

Cheaper than Audi S3 (but not in the U.K. where they are similarily priced).
Faster than GTI.
Bragging rights & street cred.
Better grand tourer based on added weight & torque - makes long distance commuting more comfortable (GTI can be bouncy at times).
Extensive options list (recaro seats, 19" wheels, etc).
Not a great deal of fuel usage over the GTI, esp on highway.
Smoked tail lights.
Better looking rear end.
Nicer body kit.
Build quality of motor should be spot on given Audi S3 EA113 motor being build for while.
Not likely to be upgraded any time soon ... even direct rival Audi S3 would not be due to hit market until 2013. Maybe 2014 for replacement.
AWD grip levels - esp with new Gen Haldex apportioning more power to the rear wheels more readily.
Better balanced with additional weight of the Haldex/Diff in the rear.
Better ride due to increased weight esp as a grand tourer (GT).
Bigger & stonger brakes.
Voluminous intercooler.
Peakier power delivery give a exciting rush.

Anything else I've missed?

Cheers.
WJ

[Maverick]

There's also some aftermarket sensor strips (no holes, non-ultrasonic solution) which have CANBUS integration available online with good reviews and better coverage than standard rear facing only sensors. Won't give you mirror dip though - my wife uses it ROUTINELY now that I have fixed 2 kerbed rims.

They're rubbish and don't work very well, I've written about these a few times on watercooled but if they did work every car manufacturer would build the strip into every bumper standard (as it's only a few $$$) and the dealer would fit the pdc controller if the customer wanted it.

Manufacturers don't sell it because it has many serious flaws that makes it unsuitable for use, pretty pointless having PDC if it doesn't work with all materials and some conditions.

These sensor strips are the slick50/abflex7000/swissdiamond of the PDC world.

[funny]

Not yet, but wife now knows they exist so I'm not sweating that anymore.
Just need time...

Eugene,

Have you installed 'the kit' yet?
Looking forward to your objective assessment with the rear only H&R sway bar.

Cheers.
WJ

[G-rig]

Smoked tail lights.

Smoked & LED tail lights :thumbsup:

[WhiteJames]

Bi-Xenon Headlights Addition:

Added Bi-Xenon headlights for $2000 as an additional optional extra on my contract for the new White Mark 6 GTI. This is in addition to adding park assist with park sensors & downing mirrors early stated. Dealer states that it may or may not add time to delivery, only a matter of weeks perhaps. Not sure if they will sell mine to another and order a totally new car, or that mine has not been produced yet, with the snow causing chaos in northern Germany.

Looks like the Golf 'R' will be closer in spec to the GTI with leather and ACC both options. Need to be wary of the leather in the Mark 6 GTI, inside centre of seat near console are no longer leather, but cloth (in MK5 whole seat on in leather or similar).

New GTI is now a bit over 50K with March/April 2010 date given for delivery.

Cheers.
WJ

[johno]

lucky addition. like i say to all the boys xenons should be standard on all cars.

[G-rig]

It was an easy choice on the R32.. :thumbsup:

Ps shame i didn't get a pic of the white 5dr MK6 GTI the other day, looked super clean with 18" detroits. Stick with CW WJ!